Ideas for graphics for the forum/tee-shirts/patches etc

[metalflake11]

I just received the second tee-shirt design. Again, it looks great. It has the same design on front and back.

PS: Please note the bright sunshine and blue sky we are currently enjoying in the UK. I hope it stays until the BSAOC Cheshire camp is over at the weekend!!

Good that!........Given up your modelling career already? 

Hotter than Ibiza this weekend according to the forecast!

[muskrat]

I'd go for that GB. How'd it go on black Tee? Yellow/gold instead of red, silver instead of black?
Cheers.

[Greybeard]

I'll knock up some alternative colour schemes then forum members can download the one they want and get it printed locally. How about that idea?

[RichardL]

Great idea.

I'd like to pose a question: Should we be considering this as if it's a club emblem/logo, or should we think of t-shirts as a "free-form" (so-to-speak) display of our affiliation, allowing for a variety of designs. If the latter, I like both and would wear both. I am having a hard time voting for one or the other as an emblem/logo, because that feels so final.

Richard L.

[nimrod650]

if someone could  come up with a design of a smiths 120mph speedo face with  bsa  a7-a10 forum in the center might look good

[Greybeard]

if someone could  come up with a design of a smiths 120mph speedo face with  bsa  a7-a10 forum in the center might look good

Might get sued for misrepresentation!

[muskrat]

I feel it should be a logo and the same for everyone. I like both but am leaning towards the timing cover one as (I think) the Y shaped cover is the most distinguishable part of our bikes.
I was talking to Steve from Raritee ( http://www.raritee.com/ ) at the bike show on Sunday. He explained the new process he uses.
"New Age 100 % polyester tees use a printing method called 'sublimation'.This allows special inks to go from a solid form to a gas when under heat and pressure then back to a solid.This type of printing onto tee shirts 'NEVER FADES' the image that is transferred becomes part of the tee shirt material and does not sit on top of the material as in screen printing.In fact the tee shirt will wear out long before the image depicted on the shirt has the slightest chance of fading.
 Other benefits of using the new style of polyester tees are that they mimic cotton in their soft feel,they wick away perspiration yet let air through to keep you cool and they have good UV protection qualities."
The material felt just like cotton and the detail of the prints were just like a photo. The price for this is $25au (15gbp) including the shirt. He specializes in one off's and small runs. It would be good to know what the printers would charge in GB for a run of 100 or more.
Cheers

[RichardL]

Here's a twist. I just got off the phone with CustomInk to let them know we were not learning to tie knots and make campfires. They said they would get back to me.

Richard L.

Thank you for placing your order with CustomInk!

I'm one of the Inkers taking care of your order, which means I dot the i's and cross the t's to make sure the final product exceeds your expectations.

I noticed that your design uses Boy Scouts of America content that is protected by trademark or copyright. Brand names and logos are protected by law. CustomInk is licensed with this organization, and is requird to submit such designs to our point of contact on your behalf.

We have already reached out to our contact, and they require some changes in order to print your design. We must add registered copyright symbols next to "BSA", as well as add a BSA attribution statement.

I have made the necessary adjustments, and have sent the design below back to the licensor for approval to print :)

 http://www.customink.com/designs/updated/qxs0-00aj-p5m0/hotlink

Inkers are here for you 7 days a week. Please reply to this email or call us at 800-497-2067.

Thanks again!

[a10 gf]

^^^ funny story

Next they'll demand all existing BSA tank badges etc discarded and fit new ones with a ®

[Greybeard]

An internet search for BSA brings up a load of Boy Scouts America pages!

[Joolstacho]

Don't be paranoid about 'threatening' copyright issues. Sure, if you're pirating a major or commonly known/used logo FOR PROFIT you need to be careful.
On the other hand if you are using an old or more obscure logo FOR NON-PROFIT USAGE, don't worry too much. It's very rare to get into trouble doing that, and besides, the first thing that happens is you get a 'Cease and Desist' letter, so you can simply cease usage at that point if you feel it's a worry, and it goes no further.
The 'BSA Company Limited' appears to be held by a British company, Boy Scouts (America)? is just being pushy IMHO, that's just bullshitting, just go to another printer.
Do you think that the scouts could own international copyright to a particular combination of 3 letters of the alphabet?!
If you think I'm 'slack' on copyright issues, bear in mind that plenty of my graphic work has been copied over the years, - you just have to accept that you don't have the resources to chase 'em and sue them... relax, "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery".
I know I opened my big trap regarding the design, and I will work on it, but I'll need time. As I see it a logo would be really useful, but it doesn't mean we can't have designs like the cutaway image and GF photo image, the idea is that the logo would be integrated into the design as a sort of 'key-graphic' or 'header'.

[RichardL]

I considered going to a different printer, but thought it would be interesting to see if CustomInk would come off their position. Also, there is a chance that other US-based printers would take the same position and I didn't want to waste my time.  I, personally, could care less about copyright infringement.

There seems to be enthusiasm for getting something to wear sooner rather than later,  at least GB and I have decided to order shirts on our own and without consensus. Maybe we are looking at an interim period where we do just that, based on one of the two designs out there (or whatever). Then, hopefully while most of us are still alive, there might be a design that does find consensus.

Richard L.

[a10 gf]

^^^ tell them the British BSA is the real rights holder, and the scouts are the real infringers :O)

[RichardL]

^^^ tell them the British BSA is the real rights holder, and the scouts are the real infringers :O)

I did inform them of the founding of Birmingham Small Arm's as a company in 1861, and of BSA, Inc. in the US through at least 1973. I even told them about the guild of gunmakers going back to the 17th century. I doubt anyone at CustomInk responsible for making contract deals with the Boy Scouts ever heard of BSA motorcycles. I guarantee the barely-post-adolescent design checkers had not. Even if they did, it's not where their bread is buttered.

Richard L.

[duTch]

 

I did inform them of the founding of Birmingham Small Arm's as a company in 1861, and of BSA, Inc. in the US through at least 1973. I even told them about the guild of gunmakers going back to the 17th century. I doubt anyone at CustomInk responsible for making contract deals with the Boy Scouts ever heard of BSA motorcycles. I guarantee the barely-post-adolescent design checkers had not. Even if they did, it's not where their bread is buttered.

Richard L.

 Yeah in this story, there's Lawyers, Guns, and Money;  The REAL BSA had the bang sticks, what do the quasi bsa have ? Swiss army knives, probably Lawyers and Money.....I was in the BSA (Boy Scouts a-Straya), and I'm quite happy to back a shirt with a Moto-sickle thing on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ0hOKCSuns
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP5Xv7QqXiM