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Re: New Rocket Gold Star Project
« Reply #15 on: 26.01. 2013 22:47 »
Thanks for that John.   
Can you give me a little bit more information
on fitting triumph valve guide oil seals. Like where I get them etc.

Thanks

Michael
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Re: New Rocket Gold Star Project
« Reply #16 on: 27.01. 2013 03:31 »
 G'day Michael.
                     I have a set of +30 pistons. They'd be lucky to have done 500 miles. The rings still gap OK. They are MC forged, offset pin type and 10.5:1 but could have a bit taken off the crown to lower comp.
I was going to put these and others on the for sale section.
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Re: New Rocket Gold Star Project
« Reply #17 on: 27.01. 2013 06:27 »
I've just bought a 1961 model Gold star with Frame number CB321027* And The Engine number is a Super Rocket DA10R HC. How can i date the engine?

Michael,

Congratulations on your purchase and welcome to the forum. It seems you are already having a good time  just working out the historic details and others have provided an amazing amount of information. John (a101960) is just about encyclopedic on the topic. I can't add anything to the technical information already provided, but regarding dating the engine, dinner and a movie is a good start.

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Re: New Rocket Gold Star Project
« Reply #18 on: 27.01. 2013 09:14 »
Thanks Richard, I am going to run a blog on here with the rebuild to get as much help and advice as I can.....
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Re: New Rocket Gold Star Project
« Reply #19 on: 27.01. 2013 09:27 »
How much for the +30 Pistons?
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Re: New Rocket Gold Star Project
« Reply #20 on: 27.01. 2013 11:30 »
PM sent.
Cheers
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Re: New Rocket Gold Star Project
« Reply #21 on: 27.01. 2013 12:41 »
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I think 2.5k is probably way OTT for a RRT2 box  huh2 huh2 huh2
I have seen fleabay ones go for £800-£1000, rebuilt ones probably £1200-£1500
if anyone has £2500 to splash out I will sell them the one from my RGS

There was an RRT2 box on Ebay for £2,500 in the last few days, but I didn't bother to mark it, and I am unable to find it again. I agree £2,500 is way over the top, but an asking price of £1,500 is not uncomon, and even that is way over the top. It is all part of the "lets list it as a Goldie or an RGS part and make a killing" mentality. Also recentley there was a 190mm brake that the vendor was asking £800 for! I have a Lyford Classics catalogue that list a 190mm front hub complete (special order) at £425 Lyford part number LCS9063A. The catalogue that I have is not the most recent one, and therefore the price has most likely increased a bit in the latest catalogue, but it is an indication of how many people perceive Goldie/RGS parts as a speculative punt. Weather the guy asking £2,500 for the RRT2 box got that amount for it I really don't know, but there are plenty of people on Ebay, both buyers and sellars that are totally out of touch with reality. Market forces maybe? Unadulterated greed is more like it I would say.

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Re: New Rocket Gold Star Project
« Reply #22 on: 27.01. 2013 22:42 »
Today I stripped the bike down to the frame......someone has sadly cut off the front seat mount on the frame. I can see where it used to be.......can someone take a pic so as I can see what it is supposed to look like.......it would be greatly appreciated...

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Re: New Rocket Gold Star Project
« Reply #23 on: 28.01. 2013 00:11 »
Thanks for the info John........I agree people are robbers when they know they can tap into our hobbies like parasites.....just found out the dealer I bought my bike from had
 taken the original number plate off.......they are like Vultures picking at the bones.
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Re: New Rocket Gold Star Project
« Reply #24 on: 28.01. 2013 04:05 »
Thanks for the info John........I agree people are robbers when they know they can tap into our hobbies like parasites.....just found out the dealer I bought my bike from had
 taken the original number plate off.......they are like Vultures picking at the bones.

If dealers had not squirreled away parts & complete bikes when they were "worthless junk" then there would be no bikes for us to play with now.
They would have all been sold off for scrap metal and this applies 100 fold for very slow moving parts.
I know a man who was paid to take 3 loads of Pommie parts in his 6 ton tipper to Wanda tip when the dealer dumped BI in favour of Ducattis in the late 70's
The only reason why some charge these prices is that others are willing to pay it .
To enjoy riding your bike you do not need an RRT2 box, and having suffered one once on the goldie , it would have been a lot more fun with a STD box.
By fitting the "correct box, the value of your bike will now increase.
When you have finished with it will you sell it for substantially less than the current market price ?
Finally if the price is high enough and demand justifies it others will be encouraged to do runs of pattern parts which will be to our great advantage.

As to the "robbers" price, tried to buy a gear set for a modern bike lately ?
Unless it is a Korean or Chinese knock off you will be lucky to get any change from £ 1000.
If you were to buy a NOS RRT2 box that had been sitting in a warehouse since new, it's price adjusted for inflation would be well over £ 2000 and that is without adding warehousing cost to it or interest lost on the price of dead stock.

Just because we ride 50's bikes it does not mean that we must pay 50's prices
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Re: New Rocket Gold Star Project
« Reply #25 on: 28.01. 2013 09:25 »
Agree with you on both those points Trev, I bought a 1959 Goldie back in the 70's for £99 from a dealer...more than 2 months wages then, that sort of money nowadays would buy a 3 or 4 year old sportsbike.... Similar recollections of the rrt2 as well, I often wonder what it must be like to ride in todays kind of traffic conditions!
Sorry to hear about the number plate change, found this pic on the site that might help with the seat mounting and btw there is a tank on ebay at the moment that might be of interest....
  http://www.a7a10.net/forum/index.php/topic,6267.0.html

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Re: New Rocket Gold Star Project
« Reply #26 on: 28.01. 2013 11:26 »
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Just because we ride 50's bikes it does not mean that we must pay 50's prices

I bought my bike because I like to ride it. When I was young I always wanted an RGS, but in those days when the RGS was available brand new I could never afford a new bike of any description, let alone an RGS. The appeal of an RGS to me was aesthetics pure and simple. I just loved the look of it. What I find so depressing is the how so often people who stop to admire it will say something like "I bet that?s worth a few quid". In my opinion that is totally missing the point. I do not view my RGS as valuable asset. I shall never ever sell it so any intrinsic worth for me is purely academic. Unfortunately because there are now so many speculators buying old bikes, and old cars as a investment commodity many genuine enthusiasts are being priced out of the market. I think that is a shame. There are many enthusiastic people that are engaged in the business of supplying NOS or reproduction parts that we need to keep our bikes on the road, and mostly the prices are reasonable. It is also a sad fact of life that there are others that are motivated by greed often attempting to sell useless old tat for the highest possible price. We are all free to do as we wish, and if some people can afford, and are happy to pay insane prices then more fool them, but it also means that people of more modest means are disadvantaged, and in the long term our hobby will wither on the vine. If we wish to see our old bikes continue to be used on the road we need younger people buy and run old bikes. The truth is very few youngsters can afford to join our ranks and that is a great pity.

John

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Re: New Rocket Gold Star Project
« Reply #27 on: 28.01. 2013 15:55 »
Very cool - another RGS or facsimile will be on the road again.  Which brings up a subject that I have been considering lately.

There have been lots of comments on this excellent Forum about what constitutes an authentic RGS.  Which parts are correct and how many ways the real deal could have left Eddie's shop or the factory.  I am now convinced my SR project is going to morph into one more RGS replica.  Can't help myself and it probably just doubled the time it will take acquiring good parts.

The '68 Firebird Scrambler I had in high school and beyond cemented in my brain a BSA was the only way to fly.  44 years later I have a SR project in my little shop and can't wait to start putting it together - still need tons of parts.  At first I thought it was a Road Rocket - didn't read the motor serial # correctly.  It turned out to be a numbers matching Super Rocket.  Now I'm in a parts hunt to turn it into a RGS look-a-like.  Which in the end, to me and I think 99% of you guys, has a leg up on the Bonnie. 

So in the end does it really matter whether it's a real RGS or a replica?  OK, it certainly does if it's being sold or purchased.  On the other hand, doesn't it matter more that another great looking BSA is on the road having fun, turning heads, starting conversations, making memories, and promoting the brand?

Here in the States, there are so many sport bikes and Harleys and so few Brit bikes.  Can't wait to park the Brit out front of my house and cause a little envy as those Harleys chug by on their way to the biker bar down the street. *smile*

Thanks to all you guys for contributing to an excellent Forum - I couldn't put a bike together with out your help.

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Re: New Rocket Gold Star Project
« Reply #28 on: 28.01. 2013 18:38 »
http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab238/mdcooperuk/IMAG0178-3.jpg

Stripped the bike today..........
I had a chat with the owner of Lightning Spares up North of England somewhere and i have
ordered all the parts needed...mostly stainless.......
i contacted a Chromer and a powder coater, so things should be happening very soon.
I am sending the barrels to to Pete Lovell in Birmingham who is a Norton Specialist that repaired my Commando head in the summer, he said he will sort out my reboring issues which is another box ticked..........

People have been asking me what model my bike is and i say its a Rocket gold star.....is it a replica they ask? no i say its a real 1961 model Gold Star with a 1961 Super rocket engine fitted so a Rocket Gold Star..........!!! Am i getting it wrong....??
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Re: New Rocket Gold Star Project
« Reply #29 on: 29.01. 2013 17:30 »
sorry i'm no rgs guru,but i would so its a 1954 350 goldstar single , chassis with a later a10 engine,i'm not sure on the model.the original rgs's were made up by the owners,so this having a later engine,i guess it was put together later,but someone may correct me on this,cheers andy
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