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Re: retail woes
« Reply #30 on: 20.01. 2025 13:59 »
Hi All,
I believe brexit has been largely responsible for the rapidly declining prices of classic and vintage motorcycles
This is based on my own experiences attending some of the bike bike show auctions. Before covid an brexit  there used to be large numbers of buyers from Europe and further afield attending and buying at Stafford and such.  At the time trading to Europe did not incur VAT or Duty on classic and vintage motorcycles.
Now it's a very expensive option to register a UK vehicle here in Ireland.

I will accept that there is also an ageing demographic factor, plus people had far too much time to think of their own mortality  while looking at their steeds during covid but unable to travel any distance *ex*

The Mecum auction at the end of the month in USA where 100 plus early and rare bikes from one collection  are being sold will be an interesting marker.
I met the late owner on several rallies but never knew he had such an extensive collection

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« Reply #31 on: 20.01. 2025 15:03 »
I've been following the bike and car auctions.  Prices on both are falling fast but I don't think its Brexit / Europe.  Germany is in recession and with the cars the continental market was LHD.  What does seem to be happening is a lot of stuff has come on the market at once, especially British bikes in the US.  E-bay is full of BSAs being shipped back from the US, there can be up to 6 Rocket3s for sale at any one time, there weren't 6 for sale in the UK in a year a while back.
30 years ago I drove an XK140, they made 70 or so in RHD (95% went to the US as LHD) and at that time mine was one of 3 on the road in the UK.  This week there are 71 for sale on Car and Classic, I doubt the global market for XK140s is more than about 20 per year.
I'm holding out for an XK150, they have fallen from 170k to 39k and I reckon there's a bit more to go as there are 146 for sale and probably 3 or 4 buyers.
If you watch you tube you will have seen huge numbers of barn finds of British bikes and cars.  There are warehouses being opened with 500 BSA's Nortons and Triumphs from the 60s (one was 5000 bikes!).  One of the finds recently was over 200 cars.  What we now know is that all that 50's and 60's export production never got scrapped, it all went in barns in the mid-west and its all coming out again as owners die and estates get liquidated.  This stuff will flood the market for decades.
The e-bay sellers are bringing British bikes in from the USA by the container and don't even bother to un-crate them, just show a bulk picture.  A clothing shop has opened in our high Street selling 2nd hand clothes by weight - £5 or £10 per KG.  I can see these US barn-finds ending up like that, priced per ton. Once the owner is dead the family want to shift it.
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Re: retail woes
« Reply #32 on: 20.01. 2025 15:52 »
Very true Rob. The number of old boys wishing to fanny around with old bikes or cars is rapidly diminishing, and the number of said vehicles coming onto the market thanks to Old Father Time, is ever-increasing.
The Immutable law of Supply and Demand says that in that over-supply situation, prices will inevitably fall.
Still best blame Brexit for that, too. ;)

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Re: retail woes
« Reply #33 on: 20.01. 2025 19:50 »
I have purchased a fair bit of stuff from the US, mainly through eBay. Their eBay shipping charges are over the top. A pair of Lilac front forks at US$40 would have charged US$200 to ship. Needless to say I left it in the USA. Most sellers don't seem to want to negotiate any solutions as eBay will give them a huge slap on the wrist. Buying direct from suppliers is much cheaper. I purchased US$350 in parts for my veteran Harley and postage was US$59. Unfortunately, eBay is probably the only way to find really rare stuff.
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Yes US postage is over the top. It (postage) used to be subsidized by the US Gumbient so wasn't too bad. Nowadays the same part from US is over double that of UK or EU.
We used to have a Auspost depot in Portland Oregon that would accept parcels and forward on to us. Most shops in the US offer free post to the mainland states. About 10 years ago I got a HD front end from there, the quote for post was $750AU. Cost from Auspost was $250AU. Pitty it's not there anymore.
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« Reply #34 on: 20.01. 2025 20:09 »
If you don't want me to talk about my take on Brexit, please like this post *whistle* >:D :-:
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« Reply #35 on: 20.01. 2025 20:24 »
go on worty don't hold back. the biggest elite tax fiddle ever, 350 million a week for nhs and the rest of the garbage about taking back control, taking back control of things nobody was in control of in the first place , the only things that stay the same are the rulers are up to their necks in corruption and they make the rules to suit themselves , viva wake up people, when a bloke says i love people with low iq's because they vote for me it proves what he says is correct , people are thick and easily lead , BUT if you're unfortunate and lose your job they tell you YOU only need 80pound a week to live on but THEY need 360pound a day to sign a book and walk out to the nearest whore house , rant over...

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« Reply #36 on: 20.01. 2025 20:54 »
Wot, no 'likes' for my post.

Bear with me Mr Caretaker, I won't stray too far *smile*

Once upon a time, there were people who liked 'Democracy' and thought it a very good idea.  It seemed very different from all those nasty 'Despots', and to a degree they were right.  Then, over time, Despot realised that he was playing the game all wrong.  If he could dupe the people into believing they had Democracy, and got them to vote for it, he could just jump in and play Despot under the cover of Democracy, then tell the people to stop complaining because they got what they voted for.

Substitute Brexit for Democracy.  51.9% voted for the idea sold to us by the pro-Brexiteers.  Unfortunately, it was a con, as these things always are.
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« Reply #37 on: 20.01. 2025 21:13 »
worty as they say in the corrupt houses ,, EAR EARRR to the right HONOURABLE ???? haha gentleman

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« Reply #38 on: 20.01. 2025 22:00 »
I voted in the 1st EU referendum under the Heath government.  I voted "In" and discovered later that the whole campaign was based on lies, the promises were hollow and I got none of the befits promised.  When at long last I finally got the opportunity to undo my mistake I grabbed it and voted out.  I knew the arguments would be flawed, I'd been here before, but I also knew I had to take back my vote for the EU obtained by deception and I remain very glad I did.
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« Reply #39 on: 20.01. 2025 22:13 »
I didn't vote in the first referendum, but I also didn't think we should have joined in the first place.  My Brexit vote reflected that view.  I also don't like the homogenised currency in the Euro, and think currencies are part of a nation's uniqueness and identity.
 
Maybe different currencies made trade a little more awkward, maybe it didn't.  Maybe trade with the continent has become more cumbersome than before Brexit, maybe it hasn't.

Ultimately, we have a bunch of rather stupid, self-entitled t**ts mismanaging the country.  As such, it really doesn't matter which 'system' we voted for, it still turns out to be a s**t show! *razz* :-:
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« Reply #40 on: 20.01. 2025 22:16 »
the establishment survive on lies that the peasants believe , the kings new clothes shows how a couple of the peasants see through the naked lies and turn the establishment into the ones who survive with the control of the monetary system but they are the dangerous thick ones. now i wonder where i put my black & tan ,

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« Reply #41 on: 20.01. 2025 22:57 »
 Ok, i know maybe its not the place or time to vent the truth but  it has to come out :

At the end of the Empire, the newly freed countries became members of the commonwealth, under which the commodities they produced were to be exclusively traded at London stock exchange.
 Many ,if not all of those traders ,were descendants of the original colonial merchants.

Then came the membership of the EU and Brussels became increasingly preoccupied with privileges , monopolies and exclusive deals:
-Why servicing your BMW at a Fiat garage should8⁸ invalidate its warranty?
-Why was it not possible for Frankfort to deal in Kenyan coffee?
And so on...

When the prospect of the abolition of all monopolies throughout the EU became a stark reality, the British trading Lords started to fear seriously for their future.
Only one solution:
Leave the EU and engineer a campaign of hatred and lies. This culminated in a yes vote     
motivated by racism, nationalism and isolationism, all very primitive human sentiments.
 The old aristocrats won and the little  people were left to suffer...as ever!
 And us, neighbours of Brittain,(also small people!),are finding it extremely frustrating and difficult to import anything from the UK : a missing word in a customs form means that after weeks being stuck in a warehouse a parcel often ends up  being returned to  sender.
If we can source a part elsewhere we have to relinquish years long partnerships with UK suppliers. Believe me, we don't feel right being forced to do so.

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« Reply #42 on: 21.01. 2025 05:13 »
I think that what the above shows is how divisive the Brexit situation was. The outcome of the vote was very close and, given that the issue was so serious in its implications for our future, it was inevitable that friendships and family bonds were broken. Some people felt so passionate about the issue that heated arguments broke out and some of the things that were said became so personal that relationships were broken to the point of being irretrievable. But, 'we are where we are' is the usual platitude trotted out and we have to live with it and try to get on with each other, regardless of our opinions. Unfortunately, politicians don't seem to see it like this and I feel we are now being 'punished' by the EU for our withdrawal yet, to be honest, we weren't really welcome in the EU in the first place! Even though I was disappointed to leave the EU after the Brexit vote, I would not seek to reverse the decision made by the British people because the EU would probably punish us again by imposing a deal upon us which would see us back where we started, or worse. Nor would I want to see the old arguments reheated, not only because of the damage they caused to social and family groups, but also because we can't believe a single thing the politicians tell us or promise us. If the EU were 'begging' us to come back, that might be a different matter, but I don't see the Brussels megabarons wanting to eat that much humble pie. My point is that it is sad that we couldn't find a way of working together to the point that we decided to take our ball out of the playground. Now, with the election of Trump, the attitude of Putin, the emergence of China and India as superpowers, I feel very isolated as a Brit paddling our little island in the Atlantic. But, as I said, We Are Where We Are, and we have to make the best of it.

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« Reply #43 on: 21.01. 2025 07:51 »
All true CB.  Those with power only want one thing - more power.  It matters little what we want, it'll always be twisted to suit those with wealth and power.  IMO, I think people voted for Trump simply because they want change regardless of the cost.  Biden was just a product of faceless politics which simply served to keep people as content as possible with the pile of c**p they'd come to expect and got used to.  At least with Trump you have one of the most unpredictable nutcases the world has ever seen, and that brings a bit of excitement (if not fear) to world politics.

Compare that with Starmer (a sort of boring and moronic Biden) and the comparison is complete.  Starmer won't do anything other than be the 'grey suit' of politics - keeping people happy, sticking with the same-old, same-old, etc - nothing will change one way or the other.

We live in a world that is completely controlled by the most powerful and wealthy.  All we can hope to do is move between the gaps in the system to feel happier about not being controlled completely, and to live more of our lives in the way we choose to do so.  This has been the case for me since I was 14 years old, and has not changed.  My word for this was 'freedom', to the authorities it is 'rebellion'.  Viva la rebellion!!
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Re: retail woes
« Reply #44 on: 21.01. 2025 10:56 »

Only one solution:
Leave the EU and engineer a campaign of hatred and lies. This culminated in a yes vote     
motivated by racism, nationalism and isolationism, all very primitive human sentiments.
 The old aristocrats won and the little  people were left to suffer...as ever!
 And us, neighbours of Brittain,(also small people!),are finding it extremely frustrating and difficult to import anything from the UK : a missing word in a customs form means that after weeks being stuck in a warehouse a parcel often ends up  being returned to  sender.
If we can source a part elsewhere we have to relinquish years long partnerships with UK suppliers. Believe me, we don't feel right being forced to do so.

I think I'd take more notice of this post if the author could actually spell "Brittain" correctly.
"Racism nationalism and isolationism" Yeah OK mate, I'll have whatever you're having. That particular Jibe has long since worn smooth through being heavily over-used.
If you're being severely inconvenienced by trade with the UK then blame your Lords and Masters in Brussels, as they were the ones who wanted to make life difficult for the upstarts who wished to leave their coterie of sclerotic protectionism.
Free trade was an essential aspect of the excellent EEC; shame some twats had to go and spoil it all by forcing federalism onto the member states whether they wanted it or not.