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Offline RDfella

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retail woes
« on: 16.01. 2025 16:56 »
Time for a moan, unfortunately. Getting really p****d off with some retailers.
I've been using the same casting firm in Sheffield for around 40yrs. They have a flat 'postage' rate of £60 - not ideal for small motorcycle parts. Now, they'll only accept bank transfer payments. So I've gone elsewhere.
A few months ago I ordered a new tyre from a firm often lauded on this forum. They quoted £112 for a 4.10 x 19  Avon Roadrunner Universal. I was hoping they had stock, as I knew Avon had stopped production. "No problem" they said, "we'll order one". I pointed out that was unlikely but they disagreed. A couple of months later, they told me they "weren't available as Avon had been taken over by Dunlop" (I thought it was Goodyear). They offered a Dunlop TT100 @ £160. I asked if that was VAT free (I live offshore UK) and they assured me it was. Subsequent research shows that price is pretty universal - and it does include VAT. So they lied and ripped me off.
Then they assured me it was too big to go Royal Mail (rubbish) and so chose the most expensive courier available (not far off £60). So now I'm the proud owner of a tyre and tube that cost me over £220 (we pay sales tax on full price of imports, so I've paid tax on tyre, tube, freight and VAT. 
Guess they can go and play in the traffic as well.
And just to add insult, that tyre must be decades old - it's harder than any car, tractor or van tyre I've ever worked on. Took me an hour to force it on - heaven knows what the grip will be like with such hard rubber. Perhaps I should soak it in petrol? And it still won't seat fully - am leaving it overnight @ 50psi to see if it'll have second thoughts. There's enough Fairy liquid on it ...

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Re: retail woes
« Reply #1 on: 16.01. 2025 17:05 »
That's a horror story.

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Re: retail woes
« Reply #2 on: 16.01. 2025 17:42 »
that tyre must be decades old ...

There’s a date code on the tyre.

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Re: retail woes
« Reply #3 on: 16.01. 2025 18:55 »
G'day RD.
 *eek* so rip offs aren't confined to AU.
Re the age of the tyre, as long as it hasn't been left in the sun too long ( *lol* it is the UK) it should be OK. I have tyres here to go on the HD that are 14 years old and still quite soft.
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Re: retail woes
« Reply #4 on: 17.01. 2025 06:43 »
Fairy liquid has a fair bit of salt in it which is why I don't use it for fitting tyres (or washing bikes). Nothing like a bit of corrosion hidden in the wheel rim...
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Re: retail woes
« Reply #5 on: 17.01. 2025 09:46 »
That's another urban myth.
It doesn't have salt in it, but it does have the chemical compounds known as "salts" in it's composition, and there's a big difference.
Shouldn't use it though as it stays "slippery" for too long, unlike proper tyre soap which evaporates very quickly.

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Re: retail woes
« Reply #6 on: 17.01. 2025 11:53 »
Hi All,
The RIPOFF that is happening when sending anything from UK to non UK countries beggars belief *ex*
An instance this week where my daughter ordered a new mains lead for a fancy hairdryer that cost £10 in UK.  By the time it gets to Ireland the total is €40+.. =£34 *eek*

I have sent several items to UK recently and there is no bother once the value is less than £135.

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Re: retail woes
« Reply #7 on: 17.01. 2025 16:31 »
F**k those in the EU who wanted to make Brexit as difficult as possible, you mean.

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Re: retail woes
« Reply #8 on: 17.01. 2025 18:49 »
That's another urban myth.
It doesn't have salt in it, but it does have the chemical compounds known as "salts" in it's composition, and there's a big difference.

Are these salts more or less corrosive than sodium chloride?

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Re: retail woes
« Reply #9 on: 17.01. 2025 19:20 »
I thought I'd add my two penn'orth as somebody who used to retail to the EU and further afield. I am a one-man-band person who has extended his hobby into a business after retiring from my regular job. The administration required of the retailer, when sending goods abroad, is massive. Unfortunately the customer doesn't see the quadruplicate papers which have to be completed with customs codes, values, countries of origin, VAT status declarations, etc. This isn't something the retailer can be sloppy about for fear of customs rejection and the associated costs. The last order I sent abroad took me at least two hours to process. The profit on that order was about £60, so you can see where I'm going on this. As a one-man-band trader, I have to do everything in addition to the work on the bench. I already spend approximately 25% of my working time preparing invoices, reconciling accounts, dealing with incoming stock, preparing accounts for my accountant and generally keeping the workshop tidy. Then, at the end of the year, I have to wave bye-bye to 20% of my profit in tax, so the £60 I referred to earlier is actually only £48. After Brexit, most small businesses soon found out that it was no longer cost-effective to send goods abroad so the pressure fell on those who were willing to continue. I found the administrative burden so mind-numbing and unproductive that I stopped sending stuff abroad, like the rest of them. I have absolutely no interest in looking up the custom code and origin of manufacture and the constituent components of a £15 lighting switch, and this is the main reason why I stopped trading abroad. However, if I'd continued trading abroad I would have had to charge for my time in the same way I would have had to pay a clerk to undertake the admin which, I would guess, is about £25 per hour. So, either way, the profit on my order is all gone unless I hike up the shipping cost. The 'workaround' that I use is to get the customer to identify a person in the UK who will act on their behalf, then I am trading with a UK person and my contract is with them. How this individual relates and deals with their friend overseas is not my concern. I have noticed that there are various warehouses and onward shipping firms who do this on behalf of some of my customers but, as far as I'm concerned, I'm being paid by a UK bank and shipping to a UK address. At my age I have no intention of employing a clerk (with all the associated employment law hassle) or expanding the business in any way, which is a shame as I used to enjoy my relationship with customers overseas.

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Re: retail woes
« Reply #10 on: 18.01. 2025 12:15 »
As a person who ran a business for decades, certainly Brexit and customs have complicated sending of merchandise. But it ain't that bad - maybe an extra five minutes at the post office. What's being discussed in this thread is unscrupulous retailers who rip off their customers. In my case, declaring (twice) the item was VAT free when it patently wasn't (thereby robbing me of £30) and then using an expensive carrier (near £60) because - according to them, the item was too large for royal mail - which it wasn't. So that 4.10 x 19 tyre plus tube cost me over £230. Remember too I had to pay purchase tax on the over-charged VAT as well as the freight and tyre / tube.
Also, the tyre is rubbish - hard as nails, a nightmare to force onto rim and took me hours to seat. Leaving overnight at 50psi failed to resolve that, so I tried 60psi. No joy, so I set the compressor @ 70psi, connected the hose and left (I don't have a tyre safety cage and reckon that pressure is getting dangerous). Came back an hour later and the tyre was seated. I leave truck tyres (they need a machine) but have fitted many other types over the last 60 yrs. and never had so much hassle before. 
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Re: retail woes
« Reply #11 on: 18.01. 2025 13:00 »
Can you cancel the transaction under the "distance selling" regs?  Trouble is you only get 2 weeks.
I'm trying to get my will drafted and hired a local Solicitors I've used before.  Met a young guy who gave good advice and we agreed £350.
Then I had heart attack which delayed things.  Got e-mail from Solicitors saying your solicitor has moved and this is your new one. Do you agree. OK I agree.
Go and meet new one and she say's "I'm on a higher rate are you ok with that? Yes OK but now its gone from £350 to £500 and by the end of the meeting its £ 900, then she says "Oh I forgot its plus VAT "
So my £350 is now over £1200
Then a couple of days ago I get a call from their accounts, "very sorry did we mention our new terms are payment in full up front?"
No you did not, and this is a step too far, cancel the whole lot, I will be paying nothing.
Very frosty call from Solicitor -"why?" "Because you pushed it too far.  I had the feeling I was being milked like a cow."
They rely on us not kicking back.

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Re: retail woes
« Reply #12 on: 18.01. 2025 22:09 »
Can you cancel the transaction under the "distance selling" regs?  Trouble is you only get 2 weeks.
I'm trying to get my will drafted and hired a local Solicitors I've used before.  Met a young guy who gave good advice and we agreed £350.
Then I had heart attack which delayed things.  Got e-mail from Solicitors saying your solicitor has moved and this is your new one. Do you agree. OK I agree.
Go and meet new one and she say's "I'm on a higher rate are you ok with that? Yes OK but now its gone from £350 to £500 and by the end of the meeting its £ 900, then she says "Oh I forgot its plus VAT "
So my £350 is now over £1200
Then a couple of days ago I get a call from their accounts, "very sorry did we mention our new terms are payment in full up front?"
No you did not, and this is a step too far, cancel the whole lot, I will be paying nothing.
Very frosty call from Solicitor -"why?" "Because you pushed it too far.  I had the feeling I was being milked like a cow."
They rely on us not kicking back.
Exactly my experience of solicitors, snouts in the trough, no compassion. My mate is having his ankle fixed by a surgeon who charges £350 / hour. My solicitor has just put his hourly rate up to £450 / hour. Don't get involved with solicitors or the Justice System, because the one thing they don't give a 5hit about is Justice.

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Re: retail woes
« Reply #13 on: 18.01. 2025 22:51 »
"Where there's a will, there's a lawyer".

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Re: retail woes
« Reply #14 on: 19.01. 2025 01:49 »
I've heard it said many times you don't actually have to use a solicitor to write a will. There are forms you can download on line and do it yourself. Having said that I've not done it and we did use a lawyer albeit pre-Covid and for very reasonable money. I guess it might depend on how complex your affairs are...Anyway I'm not paying anyone to put the Beeza back together so I better crack on!
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