Author Topic: Metal on metal Knocking when trying to kick over after changing rocker gaskets  (Read 1110 times)

Offline Jlad

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Forgive me As I am a novice with classic bikes so any help would be greatly appreciated. I have recently bought a 1959 shooting star which started and ran perfectly but was leaking allot of oil from the rocker gaskets and primary chaincase. I decided to buy a Haynes manual and change the gaskets myself which all seemed to go well but when I had put it all back together I have it a kick and a metal on metal type knock every time i kicked. Could this be the rods hitting the covers ? Im sure I got them in the caps but I know from reading they are fiddly. Any advice would be great as I can't seem to find any suggestions online.

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Since you only changed gaskets assume a push rod is out of place.  Undo all the nuts and lift the rocker box, see if you can poke the offending rod into place.  Do you have a push rod comb, if not get one they don't cost a lot.
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Thank you I have ordered one so fingers crossed

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If you have nimble fingers, that's a great help when fitting the rocker box, a small torch is useful as well, the comb will be assist, but it's best clamped somehow or held by an assistant. One of the challenges on our BSA,s, but sometimes so easy, best also to back the tappet adjusters off.
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 Sometimes when lifting the rocker box, one of the pushrods sticks in the rocker arm, before dropping back down the pushrod tunnel and ending up on the rim of the follower, not down in the centre where it should be.

 Best to start again from the beginning.....Pushrods out, check each for straightness and bow by rolling on a flat surface, then replace in their original positions with a dab of grease to hold them in place. Exhaust ones are longer, these are the two centre ones.

  With the plugs removed you could try kicking over before you take the rocker box off, this time without the tappet covers on. Listen for the noise, it may have already been there but not noticed. Look for a rocker adjuster witness mark on one of the covers, this is a clue to a mis placed pushrod. Don't forget you have to readjust the tappets anyway, as the thickness of the gaskets positions the rocker arms in relation to the valves and camshaft.

 Allow plenty of time for this job, well worth reading how other folks do it. The pushrod comb, torches, rubber bands, dental mirrors, wire hooks, witchcraft, faith, miracles all have played their part.....


 Swarfy.

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the comb will be assist, but it's best clamped somehow
Is how I used mine, clamped to top cyl head fin on drive side using a small G cramp. Won't say it made it easy, but a bit easiER.
(I'd still rather do an A than a Notrun twin.)
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I find it easier to use a light and curved dental picks  than the comb , also put a dab of grease on the ends of the pushrod it help keep them in place in the cups .........wonder how they did it in the factory ?

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Hi All,
Two rubber bands looped across inlet and exhaust rockers will extend the pushrod ends of the rockers downwards making it a bit easier to engage the pushrods
+ everyone else's comments

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Comb nearly free,if you do what I did. I eventually found the original.

https://www.a7a10.net/forum/index.php?topic=368.msg3492#msg3492

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I find I can get a finger in to feel if the pushrods are in or not maybe I have freaky long fingers :)


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Bought myself one of those USB endoscopes that plug into your phone. It has LED lights around the lens and lights the whole rocker box interior. Makes life a whole lot easier.
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Good call, I have one of those but would never have thought of it for this job.
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Hi guys just an update got an alignment tool and managed to fit all together well. I adjusted the tappets and it started second kick but there seems to be a tapping noise now could the tappets be making this noise? The noise does sound like it's coming more from the bottom than the top though.  Again any pointers would be great