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Offline Richard Hinton

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fork oil seal holders and sliders
« on: 12.03. 2024 16:59 »
winter maintenance, rebuilding from end of A10 1960. need a DIE to recut clean threads on fork sliders and a TAP for oil seal holders. anyone know where I can get one and what sizes.  Plus the threads it whit?
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Re: fork oil seal holders and sliders
« Reply #1 on: 12.03. 2024 19:28 »
Tracy, might as well buy a set, and a thread gauge (one of the most often used tools when restoring old bikes).

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Re: fork oil seal holders and sliders
« Reply #2 on: 12.03. 2024 20:08 »
See service sheet 711A which gives the thread as 1 7/8 inch x 28 tpi whitworth form.

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Re: fork oil seal holders and sliders
« Reply #3 on: 12.03. 2024 20:54 »
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Re: fork oil seal holders and sliders
« Reply #4 on: 12.03. 2024 21:33 »
Get a thread file for the male thread and use a sharp dentist pick for the female.  Its not ideal but you won't get a 1 7/8 x 28 tap or die, and if you could it would be very hard to use.  These would have been made on special purpose machines.
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Re: fork oil seal holders and sliders
« Reply #5 on: 12.03. 2024 22:49 »
you can get them but then there's no money left for the pub for a month or two *beer*

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Re: fork oil seal holders and sliders
« Reply #6 on: 12.03. 2024 23:44 »
my mistake not 28tpi they do other tpi's but they are in china and costeth a loteth  *beer*

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Re: fork oil seal holders and sliders
« Reply #7 on: 13.03. 2024 08:12 »
For the male thread on the slider you can use a repair file, a thread chaser or roller.  The file is cheapest, the chaser probably does the best job but I could only find metric, and the roller has the advantage of pushing the metal back into place rather than removing it.  On the internal thread you could use a dentist pick or scriber and I see its possible to get internal thread chasers.  I cleaned mine up recently using a knife edge needle file and a scriber.  Not perfect but OK.
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Re: fork oil seal holders and sliders
« Reply #8 on: 13.03. 2024 08:36 »
 Cheapest option may actually be replacement of the oilseal holder and attention to the slider thread. An old neglected holder can be cut to make a crude die, but from experience these fine threads are easily deformed. New holders come with the risk of poor thread form, even from established cottage industry niche suppliers, and a good used one is a better bet, at least you know it fitted once.
  Unless you can find someone with the tooling to clean them up as a favour, investing in the tap and die or proper workshop time will be prohibitive from a cost point of view. All the suggested options for cleaning up the existing threads are well worth a go, the secret is to engage the threads correctly and ease the tight spots bit by bit. The holder will screw down all the way relatively easily when all is in order.

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Re: fork oil seal holders and sliders
« Reply #9 on: 13.03. 2024 08:54 »
Agreed, and its important to use the right tool.  Too many people grip the outside of seal holder and that makes it deform and bind on the thread, it has to be turned from inside the way the tool does it.
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Re: fork oil seal holders and sliders
« Reply #10 on: 13.03. 2024 14:42 »
Thanks everyone for your replies. ive been quoted £250.00 to have a Die made so think ill pass on that. i have found an engineering company who has offered to help. I bought brand new stainless holders thinking these should be ok but these wont screw onto the original fork bottoms. So i sent the original holders to be re chromed. Due to a small problem with the original fork bottoms i bought a replacement set. once i get the re-chromed holders back i hope the engineering company can work their magic so i can fit onto the replaced fork bottoms.

Hopefully in a few weeks its on the road again. Thanks Richard
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Re: fork oil seal holders and sliders
« Reply #11 on: 13.03. 2024 19:51 »
Thanks everyone for your replies. ive been quoted £250.00 to have a Die made so think ill pass on that. i have found an engineering company who has offered to help. I bought brand new stainless holders thinking these should be ok but these wont screw onto the original fork bottoms. So i sent the original holders to be re chromed. Due to a small problem with the original fork bottoms i bought a replacement set. once i get the re-chromed holders back i hope the engineering company can work their magic so i can fit onto the replaced fork bottoms.

Hopefully in a few weeks its on the road again. Thanks Richard

I resorted to using grinding paste to get mine to fit, they would jam on the threads after a few turns so I was confident they weren’t cross threaded, so just worked the holder back and forth etc. Where the leg threads had obvious damage I had just used a triangular file to make sure the holder wouldn’t jam on that section. The fit doesnt have to be perfect.
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Re: fork oil seal holders and sliders
« Reply #12 on: 13.03. 2024 22:18 »
I did the grinding paste trick too when the new stainless steel holders were too tight to screw on. Took about 20 minutes and was very tedious but it worked a treat. Useful stuff, grinding paste, and allegedly it can even be used on valves.

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Re: fork oil seal holders and sliders
« Reply #13 on: 13.03. 2024 22:23 »
And you can get into BIG trouble screwing Stainless onto Mild steel. It can gall horribly. Grinding paste is probably the way to go.

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Re: fork oil seal holders and sliders
« Reply #14 on: 15.03. 2024 10:28 »
Found a company in Sheffield who has a tap 1st 2nd and 3rd for £100 Ca, but no Die. so i think i get out the old grinding paste and try that if i can find it. If not ill buy the tap then at least i have half the problem correct.

So i see how this progresses, dam bike always fights me when i do maintenance puts me off doing any future works on it but had it since 1970 so id best keep at it.

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