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Got a light?
« on: 20.12. 2023 18:00 »

Okay this one is just crazy, it's the Soviet 1K17 Szhatie laser tank from the 1980s/90s. It had 12 extremely powerful lasers that were capable of delivering an electronic-frying punch from over 10 km away at the speed of light. This sci-fi machine was actually real! https://tankhistoria.com/experimental/1k17-compression/

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Re: Got a light?
« Reply #1 on: 21.12. 2023 10:37 »
Total BS specs, probably lifted directly from Russian propaganda
 A laser is nothing more than an intense ray of monochromatic light, but it is still light
as such it suffers from both bean spread & the inverse square law
so while it might be blindingly bright to a human eye, particulalry when viewed through a lense
It would be lucky to fry an egg at 1000m let alone do any real damage at 10km
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Re: Got a light?
« Reply #2 on: 21.12. 2023 11:39 »
Over-cooked fried eggs have a demoralising effect.  Could be strategically decisive.

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Re: Got a light?
« Reply #3 on: 21.12. 2023 12:17 »
Total BS specs, probably lifted directly from Russian propaganda..
The comments on FaceAche were also sceptical
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Re: Got a light?
« Reply #4 on: 21.12. 2023 12:57 »
Total BS specs, probably lifted directly from Russian propaganda
 A laser is nothing more than an intense ray of monochromatic light, but it is still light
as such it suffers from both bean spread & the inverse square law


Isn’t a laser an almost parallel sided beam of light?  In that case, there won’t be an effective inverse square law.

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Re: Got a light?
« Reply #5 on: 22.12. 2023 11:55 »
In theory yes
In practice no because fully columated is impossible to make without electronic / magnetic focusing so you still get beam spread, not quite to the level of the inverse square law but we are all familiar with it which is why I said it .
The image clearly shows long tubes which means it was a glass tube columnator
We had a laser welder in the lab at TAFE because it was cutting edge technology and going to be the future of metals joining which of course never eventuated
I cant remember exactly what the power was because while I did play with it a couple of time I did not teach it .
What I do remember was it was a ruby laser, had a 20Amp 3 phase power supply and could jsut barely manage to weld 2 pieces of aluminium foil 1 metre away , and that was in a vacuum .
In air you get massive amounts of scatter cause by air molecules, dust & water
Now it may be just for artistic purposes but they show a green lazer in the photo and back then most lazers start as infra-red ( very high energy ) light and then get filtered down to very short wave length green . Green was very popular because of it's very short wavelength which in turn reduces the beam spread, but it cuts down the energy transmitted by near 1/2 as the infra red then passes through a green filter although it is not like a white light filter, it is a secondary light filter , they used to be a single crystal Li salt of some kind .
Also if you can see the beam ( could have been painted in ) from the sides then you are loosing light .
If you get a green & red laser level for instance and shine them on the same surface, the green will be a lot smaller than the red .
It will appear to be more intense but that is just a trick of human eye sight as the red will have a lot more energy, but we see green light better .
You can not see a real laser beam traveling through space unless there is some thing for it to reflect off like smoke   
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Re: Got a light?
« Reply #6 on: 22.12. 2023 19:57 »
G'day Trevor.
"but we see green light better"
Is why first aid and emergency exit signs are green. The last colour we see before the "lights go out".
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Re: Got a light?
« Reply #7 on: 23.12. 2023 09:13 »
No Idea Musky
We see green better than any other colour
When doing optical microsocpy at anythin 200x or bigger we use green filtered light from a mercury vapour globe because the short wavelength allows for finner resolution, but it takes forever to expose a neg because of the low energy.
when adjuting the beam path on the emission spectrograph again a mercury globe green filtered light in a blacked out room.
First time I tried to do it I did not use the green filter, just the white light & it was hopeless
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