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Any ideas?
« on: 26.01. 2023 09:51 »
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Re: Any ideas?
« Reply #1 on: 26.01. 2023 10:00 »
Hercule Poirot and his mate going down a wooden pier testing the new tandem for a soon to be built wall of death attraction ?
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Re: Any ideas?
« Reply #2 on: 26.01. 2023 10:20 »
A pre-WW1 bicycle race pacer.

Appears that the chap at the back has the job of operating the engine.

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« Reply #3 on: 26.01. 2023 11:04 »
A pre-WW1 bicycle race pacer.

Appears that the chap at the back has the job of operating the engine.
Like the engineer in a steam engine?
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Re: Any ideas?
« Reply #4 on: 26.01. 2023 11:07 »
Guessing what is in those boxes: Petrol tank. Oil tank. Trembler coil with battery. Is the throttle on the bend into the engine?
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Re: Any ideas?
« Reply #5 on: 26.01. 2023 12:30 »
Remote carb is interesting. Header offers perfectly smooth flow.

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Re: Any ideas?
« Reply #6 on: 26.01. 2023 13:43 »
Its a high speed line marking rig enabling driver and stoker to hurtle down the centre of the road with traffic running on both sides without stopping. Ideal on busy trunk routes in rush hour.
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Re: Any ideas?
« Reply #7 on: 26.01. 2023 13:46 »
 My guess is that it indeed a bicycle pacer, the engine appears French, so the possible venue is the Buffalo Velodrome, Paris. 1907 or thereabouts? Looks like work in progress, no brakes or hand grips for the stoker, no exhaust pipe or fancy bellmouth, for starters. Control rod to the top if the inlet manifold looks like some sort of cam arrangement. The need for a crew of two indicates the engine needed constant manual attention to keep it running, too much hassle for one guy to drive at the same time. Vertical Split Crankcase, tied on rag to catch the oil drips....but a well fabricated frame with a neat finish to all the lugs and joints.

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« Reply #8 on: 26.01. 2023 15:25 »
...tied on rag to catch the oil drips....

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Beat me to it regarding the diaper. Why would they need a motorcycle to pace bicycles? Couldn't they just use a bicycle? If it's a motorcycle track, I would guess that all the machines were required to have diapers for the wood track.

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Re: Any ideas?
« Reply #9 on: 26.01. 2023 15:52 »
 Ain't Google wonderful....

    https://motorcyclemojo.com/2022/05/motor-paced-cycling

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« Reply #10 on: 26.01. 2023 16:57 »
Ain't Google wonderful....

    https://motorcyclemojo.com/2022/05/motor-paced-cycling

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Amazing! Thank you for finding that. 👍

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Re: Any ideas?
« Reply #11 on: 26.01. 2023 17:36 »
Looking at the gear ratio of the bicycle, I guess 60mph or more wasn't uncommon.
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Re: Any ideas?
« Reply #12 on: 27.01. 2023 11:40 »
The guy on the front is actually wearing a period cycling jersey and they are sitting on the banking of a wooden boarded velodrome cycle race track.

I wonder if the crew of two was something to do with the requirement to pace at a very
constant speed i.e. controlling the engine revs was virtually a full time job.


Edited after reading the article! So the guy on the back had to sit bolt upright to create maximum draft for the rider of the very highly geared bicycle - look at the size difference between chain wheel and rear sprocket.

Has anyone seen Guy Martin's cycle speed record attempt drafting a special high speed truck on Pendine Sands at 112.94 mph - scary stuff well worth 5 minutes of your time.

If nothing else, it serves to illustrate how huge the aero component is as part of the total resistance. Take that away and you can ride at well over 112 mph (180 kmh) on a push bike with what about 3hp..although he's effectively being sucked along or rather pushed by the air pressure trying to equalise behind the truck but I'm not an aerodynamicist...I can't even spell it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlCNMcE4QPY

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Re: Any ideas?
« Reply #13 on: 27.01. 2023 12:00 »
The guy on the front is actually wearing a period cycling jersey and they are sitting on the banking of a wooden boarded velodrome cycle race track.

I wonder if the crew of two was something to do with the requirement to pace at a very constant speed i.e. controlling the engine revs was virtually a full time job.
Also, it seems, the rear persons back provided wind shelter for the cyclist.
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« Reply #14 on: 27.01. 2023 12:04 »
You got belt drive? Ha! This is belt drive!
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