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Offline Devlin

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primary drive side
« on: 09.07. 2022 14:56 »
1949 A7, other than the engine sprocket I have nothing on that side of the engine not even the cover the parts manual I have does not show that side so other than a complete clutch assembly, chain, and cover is there anything I might miss ie spaces washers etc I would post a pic but its says the file size is to big and I have no idea how to do anything about that the pic is the pic as far a I am concerned
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Re: primary drive side
« Reply #1 on: 09.07. 2022 20:49 »
 Devlin. By my reckoning if the bike is unmolested, the engine should still be the early Longstroke type. The good news is that the entire primary side is identical with the later A7 and A10 Plunger bikes and finding parts is no problem. Longstroke engine has two rocker boxes, later engine has just the one, so easy to tell them apart.

 Despite Mitch's post, alternative clutches and belt drives are not a sensible option for these earlier bikes. The Plunger Clutch and Duplex chain are far better than the later S/A offerings.

 Forum Member Minto has just had a primary apart, so search those posts for good close up views of what's what. Plenty of pictures of the primary drive elsewhere on the Forum for you to explore.

 Swarfy.

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Re: primary drive side
« Reply #2 on: 09.07. 2022 21:28 »
I’m in wales at present but I’ll post some pics from my phone, if there’s anything else you need a close up of let me know, as mines coming off again over the next day or so.
The parts diagram shows the Cush assembly in the bottom right corner.
The Cush in the photo was a hash up of different parts, now replaced with correct bits.
Hope these help.
The info Swarfy put on my “Cush drive” thread is invaluable.
Soz, the pics aren’t in any kind of logical order.
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Re: primary drive side
« Reply #3 on: 10.07. 2022 08:16 »
Mitch... Back in the day the early A7 was the firm favourite choice for the sidecar market, and a robust clutch was the requirement. Then no doubt the cost accountants got in on the act  and the infamous pressed steel centre type first used on Pre War low power bikes found another model range to curse.  This clutch was BSA's version of "One type fits all" as with variations to the clutch and chainwheel depths and the number of plates used it was found on A,B,M and C Ranges. All the bits interchange, so care is needed when selecting parts, ebay is a minefield, the smaller C type centres often offered as "BSA A7, A10, Gold Star....."  WRONG!! Same goes for pressure plates which come in various degrees of "dishing". Usual sign of something wrong is that the basket will not take the number of plates the part list says it should.

 Devlin. That big nut on the end of the crank is tightened to a gut busting 65 Ft/LBs.  On the early A7 there should be no end float, so if the crank turns, best left alone for now. The rusted cush drive will free off with use, so a good dose of WD will also do for now.  That clutch thrust washer pulls straight off, revealing a split collar on the mainshaft, framed there by Minto. It's essential that this collar is correctly fitted and in good order. It supports the thrust washer, clutch centre and retaining nut. Say hello to the oilseal behind the collar, and welcome it to the world with a dab of grease.....original type is a compressed fabric and resin concoction, which does the job. The whole engine and gearbox are built around this seal, so if it ain't broke.....

 Swarfy

 Thanks Jase, nice Pix. Note that the previous owner had fitted Minto's cush with the later Swing Arm flat faced cush nut. When tightened down this nut locks the Plunger cush drive solid. Nut and sleeve used on Rigid and Plunger models are different from S/A type. Thread's the same, and this was part of Minto's conundrum...fitted fine, but did not work.

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Re: primary drive side
« Reply #4 on: 10.07. 2022 17:11 »
The same thing intrigues me too, but obviously the pace of life (and traffic on the road) was relatively that much slower back then, and some old outfit chugging up a Cornish hill at 15mph didn't provoke quite so much angst as it would now.
Then again, I also ride a solo Panther M100, a bike born to lug a sidecar, and while it has torque aplenty it wouldn't want to go much over 55 on an open road.

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Re: primary drive side
« Reply #5 on: 10.07. 2022 20:03 »
my post about the great read is all about a panther in a way

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Re: primary drive side
« Reply #6 on: 10.07. 2022 20:17 »
i put a post on with title GREAT READ all about a panther and side car and trailer in the 1930's a journey from London to cape town

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Re: primary drive side
« Reply #7 on: 11.07. 2022 09:50 »
Panthers lovely.
I heard that the M120 (650cc single) was a step too far, and that the M100 (600cc) was the one to have.
Saw a Panther given the full 'Captain America' treatment (radical chopper), must have been like riding a compactor.
I digress...   again.

I'm biased as I have the 600, but there's no doubt that the 650 is considered to be "inferior" to the earlier bikes, as many stretched engine designs are. I like my early A7 too.

Lots of the poor old girls are ballsed-up  made into chops and bobbers as the humungous engine design lends itself to them. Contrary to popular belief they're not in the slightest bit compactor-like and smooth out nicely over 25mph.
And you can start one in your bare feet IF you use the half-compression device and retard the ignition. Don't follow the rules and they bite back painfully...