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Re: Head light cowl fractures
« Reply #15 on: 27.10. 2021 12:49 »
... Fully legal in NZ if you fit an entire assembly and not just a bulb, it's to do with the reflectors not working with the led bulbs hence the incorrect beam pattern
Is that why LED headlights are reported as not throwing a good beam of light?
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Re: Head light cowl fractures
« Reply #16 on: 27.10. 2021 21:31 »
The headlight LED are not legal in NZ anyway and they usually get picked up by the beam testing machine at WOF (aka MOT) time

Fully legal in NZ if you fit an entire assembly and not just a bulb, it's to do with the reflectors not working with the led bulbs hence the incorrect beam pattern

Quite right, I left out the word “bulb” as I thought it obvious that was what we were talking about, an LED bulb being fitted to a “BPF” type reflector, which I believe to be “illegal” in NZ but I don’t actually know the technicalities on why  *eek* it’s just what a WOF tester told me, and they aren’t infallible!

Fitting complete (internal) assemblies has been done for decades eg sealed units, halogen reflectors/bulbs etc and as far as I know has not caused issues at WOF time, anyway, a quick google brought up this info.

Can the hella product (easily) be fitted into a std A10 shell?

https://www.hella.co.nz/en/products/driving-headlamp/7-round-headlamps-and-housings/7-round-led-headlamp-highlow-beam-insert.html

https://www.classicbritishspares.com/blogs/news/bpf-headlight-bulb-testing





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Re: Head light cowl fractures
« Reply #17 on: 28.10. 2021 11:50 »
My welding course instructor stated that a good weld is stronger then the surrounding metal. It's the surrounding metal that will give you problems.
Unless you are using a higher strength rod than the parent metal there is no way that a weld which when you think of it logically is just a casting can be as strong as the sheet mtal with a grain size 1/20th of the weld grain size
This is why most welds are not dressed smooth to the surface and you leave  beat to increase the cross sectional area which is similar to using thicker material to start with .
Add to that a flame weld will render the joint softer than the original while an arc weld will make it stiffer .
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Re: Head light cowl fractures
« Reply #18 on: 29.10. 2021 02:05 »
... Fully legal in NZ if you fit an entire assembly and not just a bulb, it's to do with the reflectors not working with the led bulbs hence the incorrect beam pattern
Is that why LED headlights are reported as not throwing a good beam of light?

I would suspect that is the case but I don't know enough about them to be sure
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Re: Head light cowl fractures
« Reply #19 on: 03.11. 2021 01:55 »
... Fully legal in NZ if you fit an entire assembly and not just a bulb, it's to do with the reflectors not working with the led bulbs hence the incorrect beam pattern
Is that why LED headlights are reported as not throwing a good beam of light?

A filament globe throws off light as a full sphere
So some gies directly ahead while the rest hits the reflector and is bounced forward
An LED is a flat element that only throws off light in a forward direction
Add to that the foreward only facing cone can be anywere as small as 15 deg to as wide as 120 deg
So to work for a headlamp you need a deep conical shaped columnator rather than a parabolic reflector
What most LED globes try to do is put the LED in tha smae place withing the reflector as the element of the globe would be but facing backwards into the reflector to get the full beam spread that a std globe would get
However the LED generates heat that has to be removed using a heat sink and that hea sink asts a shadow of itself in the middle of the beam of light so you get a sort of ring of light, bright at the edges and dim in the middle which is the exact opposite of what a normal globe does which is bright in the middle and dim on the edges

This is why you will hear LED globes being acused of throwing a "hollow" beam
The high light output type of LED ( there are lots of them ) usually used in globes is the CREE which are 3 V
So for a 6V system, 1 for low ( 3V ) and both for high ( 6 V )
The smae globe is used for 12 V systems but as they have 12 V then they can use 2 for low + 2 more for high so the 12 V British prefocus  globe works really well in  the standard reflector.
And because they use so little power it is viable to pop a 12 V regulator on a 6 V dynamo with a 5 Ah battery and all LED globes .
The 4 element LED globe draws 0.5A so a 5 Ah battery will power it for 10 hours running total loss ( no dynamo )
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Re: Head light cowl fractures
« Reply #20 on: 03.11. 2021 04:50 »
soooo, going back to my original question then, an LED globe, DOESNT get affected by voltage variations or??
the reason for asking is that I know of a no. of people who have (tried) converting to led's on old cars but have had issues with flickering, even on/off, which "apparently" is due to insufficient voltage stability........

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Re: Head light cowl fractures
« Reply #21 on: 08.11. 2021 11:02 »
My mate dropped the welded up cowl back today looks good.
I'm going to have to get it re powdered coated hopefully that won't take to long.

He thought some noise deadening might help with reducing metal fatigue from vibration?

what are your thoughts?


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Re: Head light cowl fractures
« Reply #22 on: 08.11. 2021 16:01 »
Not sure 'noise deadening' will achieve much. To address vibration one needs to either remove the source (re-balance engine) or alter the part that is in harmony by changing its length or mass.
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Re: Head light cowl fractures
« Reply #23 on: 08.11. 2021 18:19 »
Not sure 'noise deadening' will achieve much. To address vibration one needs to either remove the source (re-balance engine) or alter the part that is in harmony by changing its length or mass.

Noise deadening material will change the mass
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Re: Head light cowl fractures
« Reply #24 on: 09.11. 2021 12:31 »
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Noise deadening material will change the mass
I appreciate that, but discounted it on the grounds the item is small, so any deadening material is likely to be light and of insignificant mass. Hardly the place to fit lead-lined foam.
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Re: Head light cowl fractures
« Reply #25 on: 10.11. 2021 20:19 »
My friends idea was to use the self adhesive sound deadening used on car panels

The cowl is at the powder coaters now
We. Have to see when I get it back 


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Re: Head light cowl fractures
« Reply #26 on: 11.11. 2021 07:10 »
Will not make a wrinkled rats rectum of a difference
It has taken 60 years to fracture the first time .
If he added some bracing as I suggested then it will go another 60 years standing on it's head
If he just welded it then it will depend upon the thickness of the deposit & what alloy he used .
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Re: Head light cowl fractures
« Reply #27 on: 24.11. 2021 12:43 »
Cowlback fro the powder coaters

happy with how it looks if you didn't know you you'll never see anything.



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