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Re: engineers
« Reply #15 on: 14.08. 2021 17:21 »
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Re: engineers
« Reply #16 on: 14.08. 2021 22:04 »
I'm more old school than some here, it seems.
To me, the term "engineer" means someone who designs space rockets, jet engines, ship's gearboxes, railway bridges, etc and never ever gets their carefully manicured hands dirty with anything so common as a spanner.
People who can produce wonderful precision-made components and/or install, fault-find and maintain complex machinery are variations on the word "fitter" and ne'er the twain shall meet...ever.
Sadly those who lay carpets and install double glazing now lay claim to the word "fitter", just as those who fix your washing machine or service the boiler are now self-styled "engineers" and the little Thai girls who stick on acrylic finger nails are "technicians".
Things were easier to understand, years ago. *sad2*

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« Reply #17 on: 15.08. 2021 11:13 »
I think the world has changed. In earlier times one man, often a celebrity chief engineer, head designer call him what you may, could wield a lot of power and make huge calls often with stunning results. Sometimes sadly with startling failures and loss of life too.  In these more litigious days, insurance companies call the shots and no one person wants or is allowed to carry the sole responsibility. Engineers are degree qualified, members of professional institutions and major design decisions are mostly made by committee.

A lot depends on the field of work but in my experience working for 35 years in the automotive manufacturing and R&D arenas the best engineers were always the guys who had a thorough grounding in the basics, often completing an apprenticeship and qualifying as tradesmen before going to Uni and doing a degree. Indeed in Germany and Japan this is the norm rather than the exception. These people understand the intricacies and issues involved in manufacturing, how different materials behave, not just their physical properties but how they are machined or moulded and what affect their choices could have on the process. Fitters and toolmakers have a lot more respect for their engineer if they know he could set up and run the machine himself if he had to.

Since the auto industry died here in Australia, I've gone back to my roots as a tool maker and I work at the uni as a prototype machinist / fabricator designing and making trial parts, spares, test rigs etc supporting a number of different research groups. Work which involves use of all the standard workshop machinery, Lathes, mills, surface grinder, sheet metal press brake, Tig / Mig welding stainless and Aluminium etc. it is wonderful and I have not had so much fun at work for many years!  I have rediscovered the joy of getting my hands on the tools and realised how far away from what originally drew me into the industry I had gone in my previous engineering roles, sat in front of a CAD screen or an Excel spreadsheet for hours on end.  I only look at computers now when I want to and its great!
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Re: engineers
« Reply #18 on: 15.08. 2021 12:57 »
The definition of an engineer is someone who is prepared to argue about who can be called an engineer.

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« Reply #19 on: 15.08. 2021 14:29 »
The definition of an engineer is someone who is prepared to argue about who can be called an engineer.

Indeed, after all who else gives a damn.
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Re: engineers
« Reply #20 on: 15.08. 2021 15:32 »
Rex - don't know about nowadays, but in the 60's when I was working in engineering companies (toolroom / design) a fitter was the equivalent of a 2nd fit carpenter, the engineer was the cabinet maker. A fitter would assemble parts made by others, service the factory compressor, set up the simpler production machines for the operators etc. A guy from the toolroom would be called in for setting up precision machines. Fitters could do a bit of turning or milling, but never design or get involved with prototypes.
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Re: engineers
« Reply #21 on: 15.08. 2021 16:55 »
In this case it depends on your definition or understanding of the word "fitter" then.
Way back when (in the 1970s in my case when I did an apprenticeship) a fitter "made things (to) fit", whether it be on an airframe, tool room, electrical, steam, aero engine etc. Rather different from an installer.
Not saying design was ever in their/my brief, that was for the designers etc.

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« Reply #22 on: 16.08. 2021 01:33 »
It's universal. Computer operators call themselves 'Graphic Designers' nowadays, and people with degrees don't know the difference between 'your' and 'you're'.

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« Reply #23 on: 16.08. 2021 10:03 »
It's universal. Computer operators call themselves 'Graphic Designers' nowadays, and people with degrees don't know the difference between 'your' and 'you're'.
My daughter-in-law is a graphic designer. Of course she does her work on a computer;  why wouldn't she? She 'paints' using a graphic tablet. She then emails her work files to the client.

I agree about the dire level of written English these days.
When I left school I worked for 13 years in manual jobs that needed no writing. I had to learn how to write good English after I joined BT when I was 29 and embarked on various courses, so I'm not sympathetic to people who can't be bothered to use our language properly. I don't always get it right but I am 'trying', 😉
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« Reply #24 on: 16.08. 2021 10:20 »
It's universal. Computer operators call themselves 'Graphic Designers' nowadays, and people with degrees don't know the difference between 'your' and 'you're'.

Ah, but do they commit the cardinal sin of pronouncing "aitch" as "haitch"? Hanging's too good for them...

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« Reply #25 on: 16.08. 2021 10:49 »
'anging, would that be Rex?   *smile*
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« Reply #26 on: 16.08. 2021 10:56 »
... pronouncing "aitch" as "haitch"?

It's an estuary thing, you won't hear that in the villages.
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« Reply #27 on: 16.08. 2021 11:10 »
'anging, would that be Rex?   *smile*

That's the irony Bill....people wot talk proper moan about the dropped aitch and have done for decades, yet say nuffink about the Essex Haitch.

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« Reply #28 on: 16.08. 2021 11:40 »
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« Reply #29 on: 16.08. 2021 12:47 »
'anging, would that be Rex?   *smile*

That's the irony Bill....people wot talk proper moan about the dropped aitch and have done for decades, yet say nuffink about the Essex Haitch.
What about the Agatha Christie posh style 'An otel' for 'A hotel'?
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