BON if i don't get any answers this week i will be creeping about at MWAS house to see if he is in a happy mood. i think an overload of jobs he has lined up are giving him migraine attacks , something he has suffered with all his life. no wonder because of all the stuff he has in his brain. i shall see , cheers for the heads up , the one thing i know is i can't tackle it , maybe if i get him on a good day and help him on the allotments he might have a go at it if i show him your posts to spur him on , the thing is as i say his projects are endless , at the moment he's making core blocks and moulds and a load of other things , even a tyre removing machine , i'd just take the flaming wheels to a garage *whistle*cheers