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Re: Custodian of an A10
« Reply #15 on: 27.08. 2019 16:59 »
I am not a fan of patina, it's another way of saying, I can't be bothered.
IMO it would look better getting it back to how it was in the first photo when his dad was on it.
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Re: Custodian of an A10
« Reply #16 on: 27.08. 2019 17:13 »
I am not a fan of patina, it's another way of saying, I can't be bothered.
IMO it would look better getting it back to how it was in the first photo when his dad was on it.
I see the appeal of keeping originality, to tell the story of a motor vehicle. I do not see the appeal of trying to make a classic into a 'modern'; for instance, by fitting mag-alloy wheels. I intended to just get my A10 going, but one thing led to another and I ended up doing everything I could afford to make it as new.
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Re: Custodian of an A10
« Reply #17 on: 27.08. 2019 22:36 »
Hi all,
 Thanks for the replies.  It will be staying with 'patina'  I feel that if I restore it , it won't be what he rode.
I intend to take apart, clean and make sure parts are safe to use.  I am replacing brakes, cables, chain, loom and tyres.  The log book is in my name so no worries there.  The brow was on the bike and may go back on.  The ornament is a 'manneken pis'.  The seat I think is aftermarket, plywood and angle iron base not sure who's.  I would like to go back to single seat which I think it had originally.  I am in Bedfordshire Roy's my fathers name i'm Grant his son.  I wasn't born when the pic was taken!
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Re: Custodian of an A10
« Reply #18 on: 28.08. 2019 06:50 »

 
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.....  It will be staying with 'patina'  I feel that if I restore it , it won't be what he rode........

   Good call..... *wink2*
 I guess you must have Scottish heritage then....my eldest offy has a middle name Roy and his little bro has a Grant in his, as homage to their Ma's folks who were Scots....I didn't have much say in it
Started building in about 1977/8 a on average '52 A10 -built from bits 'n pieces never resto intended -maybe 'personalised'
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Re: Custodian of an A10
« Reply #19 on: 28.08. 2019 07:19 »
Yes, keep it graunchy and authentic, not like all those fabulous, glinting, wallet-sucking 'rich-boy restos' out there!

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Re: Custodian of an A10
« Reply #20 on: 28.08. 2019 09:13 »
Grant, however you proceed, you have the basics of a  project many of us on the forum view with envy.....a complete original machine and a registered title.  You may find that with a little care, many of the components you mentioned are still serviceable. Modern replacement parts are of dubious quality and sticking to original bits will save endless hassle as you know they will fit.

 Your first problem is that there is a good chance none of your modern spanners fit, so have a look round for BSF and Whitworth  sizes. A 3/16" and 1/4" Whit spanner will cope with most of the smaller fixings.  A couple of nice adjustables for the bigger stuff. Most nuts and bolts are CEI (Cycle Thread), threads into castings are Whitworth.  Cheap carbon steel taps and dies are useful to clean up rusted threads, plus WD and a bit of heat, rather than a lot of force, on the more stubborn fasteners.

 It will be a bit of a learning curve, but YouTube has plenty of "How I did it Viddys", one of which features a well respected and very active member of this very Forum. Haynes is OK, but features emphasis the later swinging arm models. Roy Bacon's restoration manual is well worth tracking down.

Take it slow and steady, ask if you are unsure, and Good Luck.

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Re: Custodian of an A10
« Reply #21 on: 28.08. 2019 15:16 »

 
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...... so have a look round for BSF and Whitworth  sizes........

 I call B.S- You may have trouble finding BSF spanners  *whistle*
Started building in about 1977/8 a on average '52 A10 -built from bits 'n pieces never resto intended -maybe 'personalised'
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Re: Custodian of an A10
« Reply #22 on: 28.08. 2019 15:45 »
I finf car boot sales and autojumbes good sources for spanners and sockets.
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Re: Custodian of an A10
« Reply #23 on: 28.08. 2019 16:23 »
duTch  These spanner sizes defy all logic to me. I have here one of my old faithfuls, marked AM 1940, so ex WW2 Air Ministry. One jaw is marked 1/4 W & 5/16 BSF, other end jaw 3/16 W & 1/4 BSF.  The 1/4W end measures 9/16" across  the jaw, much bigger than a nut that fits a 1/4 Whitworth thread.  So hopefully someone can put forward an answer. Thank goodness for the AF and Metric  systems. At least BSA used one system, CEI, for most of their fastenings in the period our bikes were made. Bikerbob is on the money, lots of these obsolete and good quality sockets and spanners find there way to boot sales and jumbles. Some folks collect them, so prices are loaded but the common sizes are usually to be found at a reasonable price. Many of the nuts and bolts on these old bikes have rounded off hexagons, so hammering on an old slightly smaller socket sometimes grips enough to loosen them off. A Dremel with cutting discs is a bit more precision than a rough cut angle grinder.

 New Stainless or BZP fastenings are readily available, I assemble all with Loctite to combat vibration and thread corrosion, makes future maintenance a lot easier.

 Grant, if you go looking for spanners, take a couple of easily removed original nuts and bolts with you to check sizes.

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Re: Custodian of an A10
« Reply #24 on: 28.08. 2019 16:48 »
Grant,
Do you have Imperial spanniards?
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Re: Custodian of an A10
« Reply #25 on: 28.08. 2019 22:35 »

 
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duTch  These spanner sizes defy all logic to me...........

 yep- me too....(something to do with bolt shank size plus 1/16"  *conf2*)  I haven't looked but haven't seen a BS-'F' spanner, figuring BSF just being the *fine* thread to complement the coarse BSW, and BS being the 'standard' (can't think of a better word for that)............ *dunno*
 Probably the most elusive needed is the equivalent of ¿¿ 25/64" (AF) fro the Oil pump worm nut......sorry getting off topic here  *smile*
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Re: Custodian of an A10
« Reply #26 on: 28.08. 2019 22:58 »
Probably the most elusive needed is the equivalent of ¿¿ 25/64" (AF) fro the Oil pump worm nut.
Indeed! What is the correct imperial size for that nut?
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Re: Custodian of an A10
« Reply #27 on: 28.08. 2019 23:16 »
G'day Grant  *welcome*
What a great project! I like the way your thinking. Keep the outside as close to "as is" but make sure everything inside is OK.
Remember there's no such thing as a stupid question. There may be some questionable answers  *lol*
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Re: Custodian of an A10
« Reply #28 on: 28.08. 2019 23:17 »
 
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    Probably the most elusive needed is the equivalent of ¿¿ 25/64" (AF) fro the Oil pump worm nut.

Indeed! What is the correct imperial size for that nut?

 that was a guess from the back of my head  *dunno*... probably closest Imperial size is ~20mm  *smile*
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Re: Custodian of an A10
« Reply #29 on: 29.08. 2019 22:45 »
The correct Imperial size is 25/32.
20mm is Metric.