Wednesday evening run out

[Topdad]

Stopped in the village of Little Crosby last night and took a few pictures . Interesting place owned by one family for centuries ONLY Roman Catholics may live in the properties ,during the Puritan times following the Civil War  they were persecuted for there religion and so all the original cottages and farm houses have "Prest holes " All the farms are owned by the family and tenanted .Another draw back , no PUB !  Likewise they owned Lunt Village a few miles away again crying out for a pub  but no chance > The Manor hse is behind these house surrounded by a large rough brick wall ,still worth a few bob indee.

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[Greybeard]

I love the Ye Olde wheelie bins

[Topdad]

The Viking supplied ones are only used on holidays now!

[Greybeard]

The Viking supplied ones are only used on holidays now!

No, I don't get that!

Do you agree that wheelie-bins ruin the look of a pretty street?

[bsa-bill]

Do you agree that wheelie-bins ruin the look of a pretty street?

Yes and yes but so does plastic bottles in hedgerows, fly tipping, and some would say windmills (generator types) but then not as ugly as power grid Pylons, in truth I quite like the shape of modern ones and wonder if there were any protests when folks decided to site a windmill for grinding grain in years gone by, nope I'm afraid you just can't have some stuff without having other stuff, there that my grump for the day

[Greybeard]

... wonder if there were any protests when folks decided to site a windmill for grinding grain in years gone by...

I've also pondered that question. Then there were the railways, and before that, canals! Plenty for the NIMBY's to get hot about.

I don't want to see wind powered generators on every hilltop. Putting them offshore seems a good idea; plenty of wind out there.

[berger]

stick the wind turbines around houses of public speakers- plenty of wind in and around that place, enough to keep the lights on for centuries to come

[Butch (cb)]

... Then there were the railways ...

Right old fuss kicked up when plans for the viaduct at Monsal Head were first mooted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsal_Dale

[bsa-bill]

Putting them offshore seems a good idea; plenty of wind out there.

Yes, makes complete sense, expect them to be banned any day soon

[Topdad]

GB  re the Viking mention Little Crosby and Crosby village were first settled by Norse men and yes shame about the bins but was the first time this there was a quiet night car wise and sunshine ,they are very proud of the village so the bins aren't out longer than collection day ! Liverpool bay also as a pretty large windfarm  produces a vast amount of clean energy but at a cost to the eye.

[RDfella]

"Liverpool bay also as a pretty large windfarm  produces a vast amount of clean energy but at a cost to the eye"
And at cost to users - those turbines cost a fortune and the offshore ones have a lifespan of only ten years (was estimated at 20 'till they found otherwise). Only semi-viable thanks to massive EU grants. And they only produce when the wind blows - and not too strongly, when they have to be shut down. Meaning you need a conventional powerstation of comparable size as permanent stand-by. In other words, expensixe and unreliable. Tidal power makes more sense.

[Swarfcut]

As an alternative energy source and to solve a pressing problem, why can't plastic waste( the sort that China will no longer take and which ends up in Indonesia)  simply be incinerated in redundant end of life coal power stations instead of burning new oil to generate power? The source is the same, oil, but at least the material gets used twice this way. No doubt it will be to do with the added pollutants which will enter the atmosphere, but the powers that be are content to let it go to landfill and thence into the water table.

 Down here is Suffolk they are about to build another Nuke, right on an eroding coastline. Madness to put it there, next to the existing Sizewell, in an area of outstanding natural beauty.
 Often wondered about joining old nuclear submarines to the grid, seems a cheap way to generate power.

 Tidal power...a nice big underwater turbine in the Menai Strait, Anglesey would give power most of the time and the existing power transmission infrastructure is already in place.

All this is the price we pay for our modern convenience and as long as the lights work I can live with onshore wind.

Swarfy.

[Greybeard]

Down here is Suffolk....

You'll know about Woodridge Tide Mill then: https://woodbridgetidemill.org.uk

Tidal power does sound like a great idea to me. The Severn Estuary could generate huge power.

The problem with this country is short term thinking. Each government is only worried about their terms of office. So-called solutions to big problems seem to be knee-jerk. Electric vehicles are a good example. The UK infrastructure is not anywhere near ready for electric vehicles and is not likely to be during my lifetime, but it looks like the government is doing something.

[Topdad]

The tidal rise and fall on the mersey is terrific , have a look at the Pier head landing stage for the ferries,  at low tide its so far down,if they could harness that kind of flow ??