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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #15 on: 14.04. 2019 13:52 »
Adrian,
  It is almost as I predicted, back in my previous post. Standard Narrow Fin Iron Plunger Head will have a casting number on the underside of the inlet manifold, to aid identification.  BSCY was the original standard fixing, and a fine thread here sometimes fails over time, depending by how much it has been abused. So  looks as if the bike has had some grief over the years, as indicated by G.B.

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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #16 on: 14.04. 2019 14:25 »
Thanks Greybeard and Swarfy.
Yes, it's an iron head.
I seem to remember that my old swinging arm a10 had studs instead of screws. Many other things on the bike show that it has had plenty of grief over the years.
I can't stop the  carb p*****g out petrol now. I'm thinking of throwing in the towel and fitting a monobloc. 🙂
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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #17 on: 14.04. 2019 15:08 »
Adrian,
 Before you condemn the existing 276 carb, where is the leak? Obvious leaks will be a simple case of new sealing washers, or attending to badly bruised/damaged parts.
  The most common problem is  an incorrect fuel level, due to problems with the float and needle, but here you have an easily detachable float chamber, so its easy to sort.
  There are two types of chamber, top feed, with conventional  pointed needle and float, valve at the top, and a bottom fed chamber, which has a valve at the bottom, requiring a needle with a reverse cone at the bottom. So, check you have the right needle for the float chamber, located correctly with a clip, and the float still floats and is not punctured.
  Later bottom fed needles have two locations for the retaining clip, to cover early brass and later plastic floats. Worn needles and valve seats can be sometimes be lapped with Brasso Metal Polish to improve the seal.

 A Monobloc Carb has very little clearance to the frame tube, so arranging any sort of air filter is a bit awkward. Set up correctly, there is little difference between the performance of either carb for normal road use.

 If you decide to replace it, a Concentric may prove a better choice.

 Swarfy.

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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #18 on: 14.04. 2019 15:16 »
Swarfy,
It's pouring out around the thread at the bottom of the body. The cap has been cross threaded at some stage and while it still goes on properly, I think that this is the cause of the leak. The float is on the correct notch. I was lent a concentric, but the body was too tall to fit under the frame tube, a different model may fit though??
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Adrian.
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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #19 on: 14.04. 2019 16:15 »
Adran, That is a real let down.

 The seal between the bottom face of the  brass jet block and the big bottom nut is just  a fibre ring washer. Fuel should not reach the threads, so either the washer is absent/damaged or the poor thread is not strong enough to allow the two parts to clamp and seal it tightly enough. Any petrol proof material  cut to fit, will do short term to get it going. Too thick, fuel level will be too low, too thin, higher fuel level, tendency to drip from the bell mouth.

 If you go prospecting, any 276 body of the right choke size will do. The numbers stamped on the mounting flange identify the original factory internal spec. Secondhand, the critical parts are that bottom thread, top thread, then wear on the throttle slide area and seized/broken  idle adjuster bolt.

 For your A10, the original  carb is  276ER/1DB,   1 1/16" choke diameter.

 Have a look at the rest of the Forum regarding carb choices.

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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #20 on: 14.04. 2019 16:59 »
Thanks Swarfy,
I've just replaced Jets and washers from an Amal kit.
The seal you refer to was cork and is some synthetic material in the kit.
I'll try putting the old one back in. It will be Tuesday before I get any further.
Adrian
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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #21 on: 14.04. 2019 17:30 »
Note that some sealing washers for this application are too wide, and partially/wholly obscure the air hole in the underside of the jet block.

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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #22 on: 14.04. 2019 18:27 »
That's interesting Rex. My plugs are dry but I put it down to the petrol poring out of the carb rather than into the inlets. I'll see what the old seal does for me.
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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #23 on: 14.04. 2019 21:22 »
Hi Adrian and All,

A too high a fuel level will let fuel leak out at the top of the threads , there's a bleed hole there
No amount of tightening will stop the carb leaking if the fuel level is too high
https://www.draganfly.co.uk/data/pdf/Amaltype6tuning.pdf
and picture attached of 289 but they are all the same

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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #24 on: 14.04. 2019 21:48 »
So, will it pour out whenever I tickle it?
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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #25 on: 15.04. 2019 00:54 »
Hi Adrian,
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So, will it pour out whenever I tickle it?
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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #26 on: 15.04. 2019 08:50 »
What I meant was, I know it will pour out as I tickle it, but will it continue until the fuel has found the correct level again? i guess it would. My old A10 (monobloc) squirted a bit when I tickled it but then stopped. This one just seems to keep on. The float doesn't seem to be sticking.
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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #27 on: 15.04. 2019 09:19 »
Adrian, this is getting a bit curious.
   Tickling lowers the float, raises the level, fuel will then overflow wherever it can, starting at the lowest point of exit, either by the official bleed hole or the bellmouth. In practice it takes a few seconds for fuel to work its way via these exits, but the level rises quickly in the float chamber, spurts out all over your finger, job done. With the tickler plunger released,  the needle valve is now jammed shut by float pressure, and there should be no further fuel flow into the carb. Is the tickler sticking down more than it should, when released, and holding the float down?
   If your carb is bottom entry, take the top off the float chamber, see if fuel stops flowing. Check the needle can rise fully into the guide hole in the underside of the chamber lid. If fuel still flows past the valve, try  raising the needle by hand. Re-assemble with some fuel in the chamber, lower the lid onto the raised needle to make sure it enters the guide hole.

  Otherwise a continual drip would indicate a basic assembly error, cracked body, or simply a poorly performing needle valve. Valve seating, needle taper and float height are all suspect. If a metal float, check that is not leaking and there is no fuel sloshing inside to compromise its action. The old test was to dip it in hot water, the air inside expands, watch for bubbles, there's the leak.

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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #28 on: 15.04. 2019 10:40 »
Swarfy,
It's pouring out around the thread at the bottom of the body. The cap has been cross threaded at some stage and while it still goes on properly, I think that this is the cause of the leak. The float is on the correct notch. I was lent a concentric, but the body was too tall to fit under the frame tube, a different model may fit though??
Regards,
Adrian.

If you really want to try a concentric, try a 626 26 mm, the body is shorter. If it fits, bore it out to 27mm ( 1.0629" ) = 1 1/16" .  *work*I've been running another bike with this mod for years now. Works fine.

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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #29 on: 15.04. 2019 11:29 »
ironhead don't you have to deepen the seat for the slide to sit into *conf2*