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Offline AdrianJ

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Carburetter studs?
« on: 24.03. 2019 13:55 »
My 53 A10 has the carburetter mounted on two studs screwed into the head.
My understanding was that this should be two screws.
Does any one have any idea why these are studs and why I shouldn't replace them with screws?
They make getting the carb on and off difficult.
Thanks in advance.
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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #1 on: 24.03. 2019 15:36 »

 Studs have a fine thread on the nut-end which are more resistant to vibration and easier to control the torque applied.....also repetitive screwing and torquing into Ally can destroy the threads prematurely. If you need to remove the studs, just use lock-nuts to undo and replace them. I don't think they need undoing very often when everything is sorted....
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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #2 on: 24.03. 2019 18:18 »
Plunger with iron head: I've got bolts screws. Allows the carb to be removed while the head is on.
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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #3 on: 24.03. 2019 22:17 »
The parts book has screws. I understand the alloy head/stud issue, but why would you bother with studs in an iron head? It makes putting the carb on with the head in place difficult. I have to put the slides in then put the carb  on, then screw the ring and slides down in a very tight space. If there is no reason not to i'll replace the studs with screws. I have a horrible feeling that when I take the studs out they will turn out to be metric on the head side or something equally daft.
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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #4 on: 24.03. 2019 22:56 »
Adrian..You must remember that when these bikes were new, they were relied upon to take their owner reliably as and when required. So, if you broke a bolt on a Sunday morning, anything to hand was used or adapted, as then the whole country came to a halt on Sundays.
  BSA were unusual in their use of the fine cycle thread, which was ideal for the application and suited them from their cycle manufacturing heritage. Spare cycle thread nuts and bolts were rare in the average domestic setting. However, most blokes of the time had a tin of nuts and bolts, most often coarse Whitworth, which could usually be relied upon to fit nothing. So Whitworth bolts were forced down UNC threads, sometimes the sizes matched (almost) well good enough. BSF and cycle? Almost but not quite.     So, you get the picture, that's how we get these mechanical travesties.

 Someone has decided that the easiest way around his problem was to use bolts, so that's what happened,  and sod the consequences for the next lucky owner.

  Your head should have cycle thread on the inlet tract. If it has been re-tapped metric, M8 will be the thread to try now, but you may find the standard M8 bolt head fouls on the carb body.

 Swarfy.

 Additional. Parts book lists 02-129 as the official bolt. Once more musky's very useful chart helps us out, identifying it as 5/16" CEI Thread, 3/4" bolt, but with a small hex tall head to aid installation. This head is the same hex as the thin walled gearbox cover nuts.

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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #5 on: 25.03. 2019 18:47 »
Thanks folks.
I'm going to try to return it to bolts, if the studs that are in there haven't got daft threads.
Shoud probably be on the carburation thread, but thinking of replacing the 276 with a monobloc anyway. I haven't got a plunger air filter and have no prospect of finding one so a 376 might might be an improvement.
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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #6 on: 25.03. 2019 19:03 »
Could always use the studs as bolts by threadlocking (or better still silver-soldering) the nuts on.
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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #7 on: 25.03. 2019 20:34 »
Make the bolts with the smaller hex, 1/4" size which is a tad over 7/16" AF.
Makes life much easier.
I also make nuts for the studs on the alloy heads this size.

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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #8 on: 12.04. 2019 19:45 »
I removed the carb on my 52 iron head with studs today, without problem, did have to remove the seat and tank first, obviously, like you do!!
Am I going to have a bit of bother getting it back on after cleaning the crap out of it??
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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #9 on: 12.04. 2019 21:22 »
Mine's the same. The tank has to come off first which is a bit of a faff.
Some are saying "bolts" and some are saying "screws" are better than studs (which I have). Is the meaning really "reduced hex set screws"?

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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #10 on: 13.04. 2019 00:17 »
Mine's the same. The tank has to come off first which is a bit of a faff.
Some are saying "bolts" and some are saying "screws" are better than studs (which I have). Is the meaning really "reduced hex set screws"?

Yes and no.  set screws will do but its best to leave some bare shank 3/4 depth of the carb flange not threaded all the way. ( reduced hex as trevinoz mentioned)

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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #11 on: 13.04. 2019 09:26 »
Understood.

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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #12 on: 13.04. 2019 12:02 »
I have standard head bolts for my 276 carb.
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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #13 on: 14.04. 2019 12:03 »
I've just taken the studs out and the manifold is tapped 18tpi BSW.
The parts book says it should take 26tpi BSCY.
Is my head from a different model?
I've ordered some Whitworth screws but I'm unsure about repeated use and may leave the studs in even though they make it awkward to get the carb on and off.
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Re: Carburetter studs?
« Reply #14 on: 14.04. 2019 13:26 »
You can see in the picture that mine are not Whitworth. Is you'rs an iron head? Maybe someone in the past tapped out stripped threads to suit studs that he could get hold of.
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