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Offline Steverat

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Steering head bearing cups
« on: 24.11. 2018 18:39 »
Josef's outer cups are impacted, you can see the ball indentations in the cups. Does anyone know where I can get one of those extraction tools that screw into the cup for then knocking out from the steering head? My internet search skills failing me here.....

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Re: Steering head bearing cups
« Reply #1 on: 24.11. 2018 23:12 »
I welded a piece of bar across the races on each bearing and tapped them out with a drift. The heat from the welding must have helped. I wrote it up with a sketch, if you wan't to search for it.
I bought a couple of taper roller bearings to replace the old bicycle style balls and cups.
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Re: Steering head bearing cups
« Reply #2 on: 25.11. 2018 01:31 »
G'day Steve
Ditto as above.
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Re: Steering head bearing cups
« Reply #3 on: 25.11. 2018 10:36 »
I had trouble getting my bearing races out so I took the frame to my local engineering blacksmith. After a few trials with various techniques and some choice swear words, he used a plasma cutter to cut through the steel. He confirmed that the bearing cups were seized into the frame and thought there was no way a threaded drift would have got them out.

This has left a few marks on the frame seat where the new tapered roller bearing from SRM will seat, but I’ll dress these out with my Dremel. 

The price for this work? £20. A bargain considering everything!  *smiley4*
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Re: Steering head bearing cups
« Reply #4 on: 26.11. 2018 20:40 »
Finally I found the part number for the extractor in Haynes, its 61-3063. They do work well, I've had one before a long time ago, just can't find my old one anywhere.

Drags are sending me one for £33.60. Might be a bit more than welding things to the cups but I prefer.

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Re: Steering head bearing cups
« Reply #5 on: 26.11. 2018 23:16 »

 dong my Gutzzi ones, I was suggested to run a bead of weld around the inside of the cup and they'll fall out- which I did and they/it did.... *whistle*
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Re: Steering head bearing cups
« Reply #6 on: 27.11. 2018 06:08 »
Yes that sounds elegant, the shrinkage of the solidifying weld pulls the cup in I suppose

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Re: Steering head bearing cups
« Reply #7 on: 27.11. 2018 14:03 »
I must have been lucky  cos when I renewed mine with tapered rollers from G Prew I simply turned the frame upside down and back then drifted the old cups using a brass bar I had , it didn't do any harm and they are still working fine  8 -9 yrs on
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Re: Steering head bearing cups
« Reply #8 on: 27.11. 2018 14:38 »
In my case the cup ID isn’t small enough to get a drift onto the edge of it. Yes you are luckier

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Re: Steering head bearing cups
« Reply #9 on: 27.11. 2018 15:49 »
top dad same here I tapped mine out same method  about 38yrs ago *good3*

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Re: Steering head bearing cups
« Reply #10 on: 27.11. 2018 20:29 »
Has anyone had the frame wear around the bearing cups. My top one has always been easy to just push out with light pressure. I was wondering if its the reason for the front judder.

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Re: Steering head bearing cups
« Reply #11 on: 27.11. 2018 21:13 »
I have heard of people using Loctite bearing fit around the cups if they are a tad loose. It would be a good idea to clamp them in the housings until it sets with a length of studding and large washers.

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Re: Steering head bearing cups
« Reply #12 on: 28.11. 2018 11:14 »
I have heard of people using Loctite bearing fit around the cups if they are a tad loose. It would be a good idea to clamp them in the housings until it sets with a length of studding and large washers.

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Re: Steering head bearing cups
« Reply #13 on: 28.11. 2018 11:41 »
As I recall there was enough lip on the cups to employ a long punch or bar from the opposite end of each cup to tap it out, memory again though
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Re: Steering head bearing cups
« Reply #14 on: 28.11. 2018 12:43 »
As I recall there was enough lip on the cups to employ a long punch or bar from the opposite end of each cup to tap it out, memory again though
I found that that was not the case with me, hence the welding trick.
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