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Modern Petrol
« on: 06.08. 2018 19:33 »
 ;) Having failed to post this one on the general chat  site I've  decided to place it here and find out what the consensus is.  *conf*

This morning, as usual to start my bike from cold I tickled the monobloc carb and got lots of petrol over my R/H leather glove index finger. Now with our modern unleaded petrol with the ethanol additives etc it is rather carcinogenic, hence the petrol companies supplying disposable gloves at the service stations in case of future law suites. So are we all going to get cancer of the carb. tickling finger by carrying on this practice, if so then I want it to be called the "Griffiths syndrome" named after me of course.

I may be joking but my R/H glove does permanently smell of petrol, as I expect most of yours do, any ideas as to what we can do about this situation.  *eek*

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Re: Modern Petrol
« Reply #1 on: 06.08. 2018 20:41 »
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So are we all going to get cancer of the carb.
Modern petrol? is highly carcinogenic due to two of its ingredients. Benzene is a well known carcinogen, and MTBE (methyl tertiary butyl ether), which is also nasty stuff. In relative terms leaded petrol was much safer. The biggest hazard with unleaded petrol is the inhalation of the vapour whilst filling up. It is not widely publicised but the government are actively monitoring the air in order to track how much of these substances there is in towns and cities due to long term health concerns. Again, not widely publicised, but there is some fairly compelling circumstantial evidence that the demise of the house sparrow population in cities coincides with the phasing in of unleaded petrol. So, be careful how you use it. It is not good stuff at all. Of course unleaded, is a political thing. It might not be very good petrol, but it is very good for American farmers who grow all that corn to add to the petrol in the form of ethanol so its here to stay thats for sure. No president is going to upset the farmers.

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Re: Modern Petrol
« Reply #2 on: 06.08. 2018 20:52 »
Didn't know about air monitoring in secret, typical of any government though.  *sad2*

Over here we still have petrol pump attendants, remember them?, no one has told them of this problem, bring back old fashioned leaded petrol, it made vehicles go far better.  *smile*

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Re: Modern Petrol
« Reply #3 on: 06.08. 2018 22:12 »
I may be joking but my R/H glove does permanently smell of petrol, as I expect most of yours do, any ideas as to what we can do about this situation.  *eek*

Well, this may be obvious but don't tickle the carb with a glove on  *bright idea*.

When starting from cold as soon as I see petrol issuing from the tickler I stop (so I don't flood it). I use the kicktart (slowly) to build up some compression and one good kick and my GF always starts.

However, lately I've given up on supermarket unleaded petrol and now I only use premium petrol in my GF (actually been using BP Ultimate). No ethanel and 98 - 100 octane. The nearest you can get to leaded petrol. More expensive but since I've been using that I've noticed my bike seems to go a lot better . . . but I did replace my mag pickups and brushes with ones from Brightsparks and also fitted new Hypalon HT leads at the same time as I started using premium petrol - so maybe its a combination of both or one or the other  *dunno2*.

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Re: Modern Petrol
« Reply #4 on: 06.08. 2018 22:50 »
Amal offer a tickler extension, just fitted one and saves a wet finger,  but a challenge to fit
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Re: Modern Petrol
« Reply #5 on: 07.08. 2018 09:02 »
Yep,
Extended ticklers are the way to go.
I always have a chuckle about EPA regulations.
Benzene got scheduled then banned because it "MIGHT POSSIBLY BE CASTENOGENIC TO SELECTED PEOPLE"
Thus a very good solvent which left no residue was banned from industrial use , in favour of a whole host of solvent cleaners that are strait out toxic, and don't work .
Even worse most require washing off with water which goes down drains and poisons the waterways.

In Aust there are no regulations about what has to be in"fuel" just what can't or volume limits.
From memory Benzene & Toluene are limited to 30% each and 50% in total.
Both are waste products so they are cheap
Certified lab grade benzene , supplied in a 1 gallon glass jar was cheaper than bowser petrol back in the 70's so that might give you some insight as to why industry forced unleaded on Joe Public.
It never ever was about your health and any person who can add multiply & divide should have been able to see we were being lied to.
But lead poisioning was "Sexy" at the time and lead is lead isn't it , Tetra Ethyl lead is the same as Lead oxide to an ignorant reporter who failed chemistry when they were 12 years old
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Re: Modern Petrol
« Reply #6 on: 07.08. 2018 10:11 »
Poke the tickler with a stick. 

It’s the sort of bright idea that has occurred to chimpanzees.

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Re: Modern Petrol
« Reply #7 on: 07.08. 2018 10:15 »
Getting a few drops of petrol on your finger is not going to give you cancer.

If I'm doing up case screws and I have greasy hands I wet my hands with petrol. It allows me to grip the screwdriver handle much better.
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Re: Modern Petrol
« Reply #8 on: 07.08. 2018 10:54 »
I'm right handed and have the tickler on the left on mine. So if I lose a hand/arm to the big C I will at least be very slightly ahead.
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Re: Modern Petrol
« Reply #9 on: 07.08. 2018 13:25 »

 I posted this in another thread a while ago; my home-made-low-tech- anti-stink-finger-tickler
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Re: Modern Petrol
« Reply #10 on: 07.08. 2018 14:24 »
i have not been to the pub, I used to work at a cokeing plant on the benzole yard where creosote oil was used in counter flow to the coal gas , the absorbed mixture was then heated to 130c and then low pressure steam took out the crude benzole as a mix of water and benzole which separated out. the conditions were horrendous when a pump went down and we had to run in and out of a pump room with rag to face to aid breathing when starting up the spare pump because the glands were spewing out creosote at between 110c -120c the vapours were killers.they used to tell us to put benzole in mop buckets with concentrated soap and heat it up with a  steam hose to lift tar off of tiled floors , this practice only stopped in the late 80s {health and safety}. some workers would put benzole in their car tanks which made them chuck out thick black smoke, they soon understood it was bad practice, we had to shovel naptholene {exuse my incorrect spelling} out of benzole tanks when they had only been opened up to air flow for three days, anybody who knows an ex coke worker should know the conditions were worse than a pit. you could wash the coal off, but you never washed of the pungent stink of the chemicals that were just about to stop oozing out of your skin after a weeks holiday.Back to the cancer point of view I hope ive got away with it, many haven't..

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Re: Modern Petrol
« Reply #11 on: 07.08. 2018 15:26 »
I would think that all of us of a certain age use petrol of whatever type for cleaning parts, hands or whatever. And many years ago Cleveland used the "petrol" called Discol which if memory serves was neat benzene, stand corrected if wrong on that one.  *conf*

i was under the impression that the unleaded kink started in California where the idiots said "lead, must be bad" not knowing the difference from that and proper Lead, which is great for making cast bullets from until the same idiots started to ban that as well.

But its nice to get a conversation going.  *smile*

As for Berger, my father as a young bricklayer in the 1930's used to work on the town gas retorts when they were shut down and needed repairing, very hot and dirty work as the shutdown had to be for the minimum time possible. But compared to normal work the pay was better. Coke and creosote were the by-products  along with god knows what nasty chemicals. Asbestos was healthy at that time as well.  *eek*

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Re: Modern Petrol
« Reply #12 on: 07.08. 2018 16:31 »
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Coke and creosote were the by-products  along with god knows what nasty chemicals. Asbestos was healthy at that time as well.  *eek*
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Re: Modern Petrol
« Reply #13 on: 08.08. 2018 06:47 »

 I posted this in another thread a while ago; my home-made-low-tech- anti-stink-finger-tickler
The trouble with that hi tech/low tech anti-stink-finger-tickler is you can't feel the petrol on your finger to know when you have tickled it enough *yeah*  *beer*
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Re: Modern Petrol
« Reply #14 on: 08.08. 2018 08:45 »
You need the Mk2 igniter version!  *warn*


 I posted this in another thread a while ago; my home-made-low-tech- anti-stink-finger-tickler
The trouble with that hi tech/low tech anti-stink-finger-tickler is you can't feel the petrol on your finger to know when you have tickled it enough *yeah*  *beer*
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