A7/10 sidestand frame bracket. wanted

[harvey mushman]

The bracket that the side stand pivots on and is mounted on the bottom frame rail, if anybody has one lying about.

Thanks

derek

[Sluggo]

I can post some pictures if you like, what year frame specifically?  I cant say for sure for BSA, but I have seen a number of vendors who offer replacement/repair side stand brackets to be welded or brazed on.  My last visit to Rabers parts mart in San Jose Calif they had a variety of them in a display case in the front customer area for the more common applications such as Triumph and BSA, But unsure of the difference between unit and preunit model BSA,, I know there is a wide variety for Triumphs depending on year and model.
I have also seen some sold on ebay,  I cant likely help you with the part, but I can support you with a good close up photo if it helps.
** PS,, I have bought and used several WEN brand clamp on side stands and welded the clamp/brackets in place for a variety of machines. Several vendors offer these WEN reproductions and very affordable.
(typically $25-35 USD$)

Similar to this (I have had decent luck with this vendor, Vintage spares)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-NORTON-BSA-triumph-matchless-UNIVERSAL-PROP-SIDE-JEFFY-STAND-1-FRAME-TUBE/263200115954?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D49138%26meid%3Da0c661b48ca7411d9becb9b766a339a2%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D271966222877%26itm%3D263200115954&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

Or a LOT more here:
https://www.feked.com/bsa-side-stand-prop-stand-a7-a10-b31-b33-swinging-arm-models-1954-62.html

[Greybeard]

If you are going to weld it on it's a fairly simple lump of steel that you could make by hand.

[harvey mushman]

I can post some pictures if you like, what year frame specifically?  I cant say for sure for BSA, but I have seen a number of vendors who offer replacement/repair side stand brackets to be welded or brazed on.  My last visit to Rabers parts mart in San Jose Calif they had a variety of them in a display case in the front customer area for the more common applications such as Triumph and BSA, But unsure of the difference between unit and preunit model BSA,, I know there is a wide variety for Triumphs depending on year and model.
I have also seen some sold on ebay,  I cant likely help you with the part, but I can support you with a good close up photo if it helps.
** PS,, I have bought and used several WEN brand clamp on side stands and welded the clamp/brackets in place for a variety of machines. Several vendors offer these WEN reproductions and very affordable.
(typically $25-35 USD$)

Similar to this (I have had decent luck with this vendor, Vintage spares)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-NORTON-BSA-triumph-matchless-UNIVERSAL-PROP-SIDE-JEFFY-STAND-1-FRAME-TUBE/263200115954?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D49138%26meid%3Da0c661b48ca7411d9becb9b766a339a2%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D271966222877%26itm%3D263200115954&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

Or a LOT more here:
https://www.feked.com/bsa-side-stand-prop-stand-a7-a10-b31-b33-swinging-arm-models-1954-62.html

Thanks Sluggo, i have a decent sidestand and last option was to make the bracket up, i had thought about aftermarket option but thought i would cast a net out and see if anybody had one. Have you a decent picture you could send me? its a 1961 btw, and its a Tribsa!

thanks

derek

[harvey mushman]

If you are going to weld it on it's a fairly simple lump of steel that you could make by hand.

Thanks Greybeard i think i will make one up.

[Greybeard]

If you are going to weld it on it's a fairly simple lump of steel that you could make by hand.

Thanks Greybeard i think i will make one up.

Looking at a close up of my machine shows that the mounting was made with a sleeve that goes around the frame tube. Sorry if I mislead you.

[Sluggo]

Sorry for delay, But I checked a number of frames. On my early 1950s Plunger twin frame I dont see a tab or bracket.  Might be missing or bodgered?   No bracket or tab on my early 50s Rigid twin frame either.
Same with my late 1940s Rigid single frames either.
I took pictures of 2 frames that were A10 Swing arm and late 50s or early 60s as well as  somewhat similar ones on the A65 frames..
The A10 late SA frames appear to be a 2 piece arrangement with small bolt holes threaded 1/4 26tpi?? (I can check threads if you like)  the A65s seems to be a sleeve brazed into place and a one piece arrangement.

I did once attempt a repair for a friend with a broken side stand bracket on a mid 60s A65.  They wanted a quick and dirty farm repair and I used a buzz box Arc welder, Tried with 2 different rods and was wildly unsuccessful despite multiple attempts.

I prepped the areas, V'd the mating surfaces but each time I started an arc it would go well for a few seconds and then go to hell in a bubbly mess.  What was happening is as soon as the metal heated up enough Brazing would migrate out into my weld puddles.  I since devised another method but in most cases, Brazing is your option.   I cannot tell you how many or which frame features on a A10 are brazed  as I dont have any personal experience trying.  (note there is multiple ways of using brazing rod and filler, Hearth brazing, Filler rod & Oxy/acetylene and using Stick Arc weld with specific rod and coating.)
Photo guide is as follows.
001 is a late 50s/early 60s A10 Frame
002 & 003 are 1966 & 1967 A65
004 & 005 is a early 1960s A10 frame shown from both sides.

Let me know if anything else would be helpful,  got a LOT of BSA stuff laying about. (Some even in the house!)

[Greybeard]

Third picture looks like it may be the same as my '55 Plunger. Pic 2 could be the same but the tube collar looks thinner.

[chaterlea25]

Hi Derek and All
The A7/10 swing arm frame should have a half lug like Sluggos pic 1 and 4
The early swing arm frames do not have this lug from the factory, I do not know when it was introduced
The frame tubing is quite thin so stay away from stick weld
I have a frame that needs the lug removing to repair the crushed tube caused by loose clamping bolts
I need the front half of the clamp for that frame and another for the B33 frame that's another upcoming project
I have mostly carved out a half lug for the B33 frame but need it on its wheels to get the angle correct before brazing it on
I have searched for stand lugs that I could be certain of their quality but so far have not come up with anything
(I know Burton have a stand at £100+ but still holding out to find the correct bits)
The clamping bolt size is 5/16 x26tpi

John

[harvey mushman]

That is the same issue I have. The later pics with the half bracket on frame are the same and look quite awkward to get a bracket made for. The annoying bit is I have a sidestand complete with spring and pivot bolt etc. Just need the frame bracket. 

[Sluggo]

What about this??
See: https://www.feked.com/triumph-bsa-side-stand-repair-lug-weld-on-type.html
Similar but even with a BSA casting number at Burton Bike bits but cant get the website to open, also same part at some UK vendor called " BritBikes.Co.UK"

But a bunch of US vendors make a handy dandy side stand,  I used to have some made by a local steel place, if you supply a print or drawing, often times they will cut one up out of the scrap bin-left overs from other work at a discount. (Being small and all, they have lots of large chunks laying about)
So needed them from time to time, So there is a fixed set up cost but the price drops per unit if you have 20 at a time made, but currently all out. 

See: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-harley-xs-bsa-cb-kz-chopper-bobber-unit-kick-side-stand-lug-weld-frame-/251004126841

And here:
http://www.britcycle.com/Products/830035.htm

And here (NOS Triumph factory):
http://www.hawkshawmotorcycles.com/british.html

And these idiots (Had an argument with them once as they think they invented Bobbers-Morons)
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Kickstand-Mounting-Lug-for-Triumph-or-custom-chopper-bobber-FREE-SHIP-US/192350331841?hash=item2cc8f923c1:g:7lIAAOSwQYZWu6yw&vxp=mtr

And as for welding TIG welding is best if the area is not contaminated, But as noted, the originals were brazed on.

[Sluggo]

PS, I posted a link to some repops, But I have a WEN side stand that might work real well for you, as I said, they use the SAME 2 piece bracket as the A10 so for the price, might be worth looking into.

I will look in storage for the one I have and send measurements when I can But here is a close approximation if not the exact same thing,, would this not work?

See:  https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UNIVERSAL-CLASSIC-BRITISH-BIKE-SIDE-STAND-BSA-NORTON-TRIUMPH-AJS-MATCHLESS-ARIEL-/181733375647

Or slightly cheaper (In the UK as well)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-bsa-triumph-norton-matchless-UNIVERSAL-PROP-SIDE-JEFFY-STAND-1-FRAME-TUBE/142721309734?_trkparms=aid%3D888007%26algo%3DDISC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D49131%26meid%3Dad6a4d7fd2424aff92fb3bd263cc2398%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D181733375647%26itm%3D142721309734&_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982

[harvey mushman]

Thanks for all the suggestions sluggo, I am away for a few days but will have a look when I get back and get something done.

[Greybeard]

Those weld/braze on jobbies look pretty good. I imagine they have been fabricated from steel, so wouldn't have to worry about cast iron breaking.

[Butch (cb)]

My s/arm had to have crushed tubes around that area repaired.