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Offline Slippery Sam

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starter rollers
« on: 21.09. 2016 09:19 »
Hi,
I'm looking for a set of starter rollers.  Would consider 240V (prefered) or 12V battery.

It's for an A10 that is a fresh build and hard to kick (high compression / old leg) - so might only be needed for a short time till I run the thing in a bit.

Cash / Paypal / transfer at the ready.  Would need postage too (I can only collect if within easy access of Edinburgh Scotland)

If you don't have any for sale - can you recommend some.  There is a bit of a range out there - also which is best 240V or 12V battery (I'm not a racer so would be in my workshop 100% of time hence my leaning towards 240v).

cheers Raymond
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Re: starter rollers
« Reply #1 on: 21.09. 2016 12:12 »
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Re: starter rollers
« Reply #2 on: 21.09. 2016 12:19 »


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Re: starter rollers
« Reply #3 on: 21.09. 2016 13:28 »
Thanks John and Klaus,
I actually already bought the plans and I have a Tig but I'm just a bit reluctant to stop my project (still busy building and finding missing/wrong parts) - so I'm not going to interupt what I'm doing to start sourcing materials, motors, sprockets and all the bobbins needed to build a set myself.  On it's own and given a few weeks it would be a cracking little exercise but bad timing I'm affraid.
Need a quick solution - should be finished the bike inside a fortnight - so maybe I'll have to take the plunge and buy a new one.
Our racing antipodean friends will be along later and may have recommendations (I know there are a few Australian manufacturers so must be relatively popular there).

cheers Raymond.
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Re: starter rollers
« Reply #4 on: 21.09. 2016 14:29 »
If ya got a couple of rollers, some roller blade wheels & a cheap grinder you could knock up one like this cheap..   *eek*
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Re: starter rollers
« Reply #5 on: 21.09. 2016 15:19 »
Indeed that is a cheap and cheerful version Wozza.  I like ingenious things like that.  I might follow that up as an option as it looks a bit less fiddly than other self builds - again though time might be the killer.
Of course another option would have been the car/van wheel rollers.  I've seen them used and they are simple.  Unfortunately I drive a Subaru with 4X4 and limited slip diffs - so that could get messy - can't even use my wife's car as it similarly is ALL 4 (Mini).

I can still feel my wallet getting £700 lighter by the weekend !!!
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Re: starter rollers
« Reply #6 on: 21.09. 2016 16:18 »
Raymond,

Have you considered moving to the hill country, or San Francisco? *smile*

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Re: starter rollers
« Reply #7 on: 21.09. 2016 16:22 »
If ya got a couple of rollers, some roller blade wheels & a cheap grinder you could knock up one like this cheap..   *eek*

It almost looks like you could tote the one  Wozza shows with you, maybe in a big pannier. Thus, stopping for lunch could be a possibility.

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Re: starter rollers
« Reply #8 on: 21.09. 2016 21:36 »
I was going to make one but instead bought one last year from a chap in Suffolk who makes them....
http://www.a7a10.net/forum/index.php?topic=9272.msg67052#msg67052
It cost £230 as I remember plus the motor which I got secondhand though he supplies new if wanted, I also got a 12v motor but the 240v is a lot better, can have a look for his email address if you want?

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Re: starter rollers
« Reply #9 on: 21.09. 2016 22:19 »
If ya got a couple of rollers, some roller blade wheels & a cheap grinder you could knock up one like this cheap..   *eek*
Bloody hell Wozza, that thing should launch you halfway up the moon...  *smile*
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Re: starter rollers
« Reply #10 on: 22.09. 2016 01:22 »
Been meaning to make one of those Wozza-wizzers for ages. Got the cheap angle grinder too.
Just need to get my posterior into gear!

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Re: starter rollers
« Reply #11 on: 22.09. 2016 05:27 »
 I was the editor for a BSAOC newsletter for 5 years and this article came to me by a member, sounds like a lot of work but you can't beat the price, although I do like the angle grinder idea:

As time has passed I have found more and more difficulty starting my more challenging bikes. The onset of Gout and my general feebleness meant that my Goldie and Velo had not been started in years. This awful situation could not be allowed to continue so I began to research ways of starting big British singles without inducing heart failure.
         My criteria was that it must be a one person operation, portable and be as cheap as possible(like me).I wanted to be able to start my bikes without having to round up a pit crew or bother anyone to help me.
The old staple of two rollers that you backed your car onto had been banned at most race tracks after a few spectacular runaways and would not be a one person operation anyway. I found some electric rollers in Australia but they were ultra expensive and the shipping more so, that disqualified them. Several places had gas powered ones but they were all heavy and expensive.
         I finally found something on the web on an English forum, where a very talented guy had made some rollers for his racing sidecar outfit using a large car starter motor direct driving one roller with the other freewheeling. Not wishing to reinvent the wheel (or rollers) I decided to adapt his design to suit classic bikes.  I was a bit concerned that the much smaller tire contact area of a skinny British bike tire compared to the very wide racing sidecar tire might not have sufficient grip to start a big British single. I decided to hedge my bets and leave nubs on the axles so that I could retrofit a coupling like a chain or belt between the two rollers if found necessary. As it turned out it was not needed but the nubs might come in useful later.
       I went around to my buddy Bob Kee who has a yard full of interesting "stuff", he let me have a large Chevy starter motor. We then found a 4" diameter old prop shaft as a donor for the rollers and he let me have some pillow blocks and some 1" diameter steel for the axles. I thanked him for his generosity and headed home. I had some steel angle for the frame already and decided to make the device 18" by 12" big enough for the job in hand but still very portable.
        I made the rollers by cutting 12" sections from the old prop shaft, it was corroded which pleased me as the lightly pitted surface was better for drive friction than a shiny one. I faced them square on my ancient lathe and turned the ends from 1/4" thick steel.  I bored the ends to suit the axles and welded them together. I cut the Bendix housing off the starter motor, removed the Bendix and filed the cut surface flat. Then I cut about 1 ½" from the shaft and filed a flat on it . The drive axle was bored to suit the starter motor shaft and two holes were tapped for two 1/4" bolts to clamp onto the filed flat on the motor shaft. Grub screws would be better.
        The frame was welded together and two mounting pillars were welded on to take the motor, I made the mounting bolt holes oversize to make sure there was plenty of room for adjustment. I drilled some 1/2" holes to fit the pillow blocks. When the Bendix and its housing was cut off it meant that the motor armature had only the rear bearing for support, the drive roller pillow block would support the front end in future use.
       I assembled it and made sure everything revolved freely, I had to use some shim on the starter motor attachment lugs to true it up with the roller. I then cleaned it up and painted it. The next morning was going to be the test.      Two leads for the battery were attached, also a foot switch to operate the solenoid. A Velocette Venom Clubman was chosen as the test article, this bike was a particularly evil one to start as I had yet to master the Choke/advance/kick start technique. It was placed onto the rollers and a tired battery was tried, no luck it barely turned it over. I got a nice new fresh battery which turned it over, but the rear wheel kept kicking sideways and jumping off.
         This had not been a problem with the sidecar outfit as the two wheels left on the ground steadied it. I mounted two shopping cart wheels onto the frame and that stopped the sideways kick but still let the wheel freely revolve.
The bike was put back on and this time bingo, after pulling in the exhaust lifter and putting it in 2nd gear it chuffed over a few times and started!  It was tried at least 10 times and started every time the only minor problem was getting it off the rollers, as if you tried to drive it off it just revolved the rollers faster. The aforementioned nubs I left on the axles might be used for some kind of brake to allow it to self launch. But that's something for the future. I made a wooden ramp to ease getting it on and off and raised wooden blocks to support my stubby little legs as the bike was about 4" higher when on the rollers
       The whole thing cost about $30 due to my buddies’ generosity but even if you bought the components it shouldn't cost too much. The pillow blocks are expensive to buy new but a good scrounger could find used ones for much less. Just think, a couple of days tinkering for a lifetime of easily starting big singles, better than a coronary any day!  .......


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Re: starter rollers
« Reply #12 on: 23.09. 2016 14:12 »
Found one - whoop whoop.
Thanks to Uncle Rob - I got in touch with Ian Ross down in wildest Suffolk (where men are men and sheep are nervous).  Ian just happens to have one built and ready to go.  All paid for and in progress (will have to wait till he comes back his holidays though) -so will advise on the resulting item once I get my hands on it.

Cheers Raymond.
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