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Well hello new friends! I may just need your help with this one as its going to be a labour of love and hate I think!

My story starts as a child growing up in a small house in Lancashire! I had a lovely downstairs bedroom, with my favourite posters on the walls to include an array of Group B rally cars, MK2 Escorts and a collection of fighter jets exclusively collected and displayed with pride. Unfortunately, the room was also tarnished with my Dad's desire to completely embarrass me, especially when I wanted to bring my friends around to play. The was expertly done, due to his decision that the only place worthy of storing his awful BSA motorbike frame was in my room, under the front window for the duration of my childhood and teenage years. Every day I wished he would get rid of the dam thing as it had become the pain in my side. Instead of the normal kid’s bedroom, complete with a wardrobe and desk! I had to have an old crappy part motorbike! 

Well I have long moved away from the family home and the bike frame has now returned to the front room, after a lengthy stay at my Dad’s work premises until his retirement forced its return. Due to the length of time it has been untouched and pressure from his beloved wife and daughters, the decision was made to sell such item on Ebay, potentially freeing up the front room once again!
 On hearing this news that the bike was finally going, I was totally shocked and more so, overwhelmingly upset that this was now the highlight of fully live online auction!! Bids were starting to come in!!
Trying to understand my feelings, it was apparent that I always had it in my head that we would one day go for a ride together on the machine that I once hated as a young boy. I had to stop this sale and tell my Dad he couldn’t sell it…!!!!
The next day after a sleepless night I went round to discuss this. In the bad books after already making the angry phone calls, grumpily telling my long suffering sisters they had made a major mistake listing it without my knowledge! I can take the frame and put it in my son’s bedroom for now, I told them!! ;-)
So here we are! My Mother has accepted defeat for now…! The bike is staying with them a little longer and I’m working on my partner to free up some room for our new project!
After Googling and researching every evening for the whole week I have totally caught the BSA bug. The more I read and find out from Dad, the more the plot thickens as to the history of this machine!
(Racing Gearbox, raced in the TT, 1954 Number plate, DA10 121**engine, misplaced log book, bracket covering the frame number, fiberglass tank and seat! What did you used to be…?


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Re: Just new to it all! What am I getting myself into?
« Reply #1 on: 07.04. 2016 21:57 »
Well it's a B31/33 frame for a start Dave. Good luck with the restoration!......And welcome.
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Re: Just new to it all! What am I getting myself into?
« Reply #2 on: 07.04. 2016 22:21 »
Thanks for the story, & welcome to the forum.


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Re: Just new to it all! What am I getting myself into?
« Reply #3 on: 07.04. 2016 22:49 »
Thanks guys!

Well the engine we have is the A10 650cc so its going to be restored as that.
We cant find the frame number as there is a bracket welded onto the front, which I am guessing wasn't original but for a racing fairing or something. Could the bike definitely not have been a A7 with the factory using the B frame from new, which was lying around in the factory. My Dad thought it was originally a A7 with 500cc twin engine. Not sure whether to remove the plate or keep it on the bike yet to find the stamp number?
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Re: Just new to it all! What am I getting myself into?
« Reply #4 on: 07.04. 2016 23:36 »
Hi and Welcome,
On the frame I can see rear set lugs as used on Gold Star models  *smile*
Removal of the steering head bracket (very carefully  *eek*) will hopefully reveal the frame number
Look carefully around near the top of the headstock and check for any traces of weld or grinding
If the frame was a B31/33 there would have been a plate for the steering lock
Look on the underside of the bottom fork yoke, is there a casting number?
Could you post some better pics of the headstock area ?
The DA10 engine being  1960 is later than the frame ,

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Re: Just new to it all! What am I getting myself into?
« Reply #5 on: 07.04. 2016 23:46 »
Welcome. Great intro!
I've not seen the famous frame kink, (to clear the oil pump housing on the B series singles) shown so clearly.
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Re: Just new to it all! What am I getting myself into?
« Reply #6 on: 08.04. 2016 00:25 »
John,

Thank you for the information! I will be over there this weekend to go through all the parts he has and I'll take some better pictures! The front brake looks modified too on the picture too so I'm convinced its been a racing bike of some sort. He said the engine was standard so it must have been fitted later. I cant wait to go through all the parts and try and piece it together. Hopefully the log book will turn up at some point too!
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Re: Just new to it all! What am I getting myself into?
« Reply #7 on: 08.04. 2016 09:24 »
Great story - good luck.
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Re: Just new to it all! What am I getting myself into?
« Reply #8 on: 08.04. 2016 22:47 »
G'day Dave,  *welcome*.
That looks to be a good project. Best of luck with it.
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Re: Just new to it all! What am I getting myself into?
« Reply #9 on: 10.04. 2016 17:54 »
Hi John,
I had a look at the casting number, it looks something like 42-5010-(maybe 18) if that can tell you anything?
The plate welded on is definitely not standard. I can see a little of the stamp number behind, but cant make it out without removing the plate. My worry is some of the weld is on the stamp, but I haven't got the bike to the workshop yet to attempt to remove it.
I am really interested to get it off so I can find out the bikes history, but at the end of the day its going to be built as A10 with a focus of just getting it back on the road, after all these years and enjoyed rather than keeping it original (As its obviously not with a later engine installed)
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Re: Just new to it all! What am I getting myself into?
« Reply #10 on: 10.04. 2016 18:13 »
Hi Dave,
Hmmm ???
Heres an opinion from afar !!!
Judging from the rearset footrest mounts, no steering lock and the bottom yoke with the casting number
These are features of a "Gold Star" frame  :o :o :o

Forensic removal of the added plate is needed to confirm

The mention of it being raced adds a bit to the story *????* *????*
If the frame can be identified positively as a GS frame, it will multiply in value
A rethink on the build would then be needed ??

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Re: Just new to it all! What am I getting myself into?
« Reply #11 on: 10.04. 2016 19:12 »
Hi Dave,
Hmmm ???
Heres an opinion from afar !!!
Judging from the rearset footrest mounts, no steering lock and the bottom yoke with the casting number
These are features of a "Gold Star" frame  :o :o :o

Forensic removal of the added plate is needed to confirm

The mention of it being raced adds a bit to the story *????* *????*
If the frame can be identified positively as a GS frame, it will multiply in value
A rethink on the build would then be needed ??

HTH
John

Wouldn't that be nice?  *smile*
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Re: Just new to it all! What am I getting myself into?
« Reply #12 on: 10.04. 2016 23:00 »
Thanks again John for the info and words of wisdom.
It would certainly be a great bit of luck if it was a Goldie frame as my Dad had no idea. Someone would have been smiling if it was still on the auction site and they won the bidding, as it certainly wasn't listed as one. If its true... its a real 'barn find'!
The next steps are to remove the plate and step up the search for the log book!
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Re: Just new to it all! What am I getting myself into?
« Reply #13 on: 11.04. 2016 22:16 »
The 42-5010 top yoke was used on all of the 1954 A & B swinging arm models thereafter exclusively on the Gold Star & RGS.

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Re: Just new to it all! What am I getting myself into?
« Reply #14 on: 13.04. 2016 23:38 »
replacing with a a7 shooting star [ss] engine in a b31 or b33 frame was a common period upgrade. a poor mans goldie engine probably. i know as i have a frame with logbook that shows the conversion happened in the 70 s.
i bet it had fibreglass tank, seat, home made rearsets and clip ons in its day. now rarer than the over-restored goldie .
a good project whichever direction it takes.