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How often do you clean the sludge trap ?
« on: 10.11. 2015 11:49 »
How often do you clean the sludge trap ?
( every time the engine has been striped down  )
A more accurate answer, is needed 

What is your experience in cleaning necessity, when using good quality oil, low detergent mono grade and very frequent oil changing ?

The sludge trap in my BSA SR was last cleaned in 2002. The old crank broke do to wrong side finish on the large journal (big ends).

The bike has been used approx. 10.000 miles since fitting a “new” / re-engineered crank shaft from SRM.
Oil change: Every 1000 miles, minimum 2. times @ year.   SAE 40 spring, SAE 50 summer.

Use: Always warmed up correctly, but the engine is always used with plenty of throttle 
(One of the reason for having a SR: quick and plenty of power).


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Re: How often do you clean the sludge trap ?
« Reply #1 on: 10.11. 2015 13:19 »
I'm running an in line filter and oil with a detergent ... since rebuild. Mines an iron head Flash and gets used fairly sparingly. Gets warmed up gentle and oil and filter changed every 1k miles. I'm expecting at least 30k miles on this bottom end, and at my rate of use that's not a job I'm expecting to do ever again.
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Re: How often do you clean the sludge trap ?
« Reply #2 on: 10.11. 2015 15:10 »
I'm expecting at least 30k miles on this bottom end, and at my rate of use that's not a job I'm expecting to do ever again.

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Re: How often do you clean the sludge trap ?
« Reply #3 on: 10.11. 2015 15:32 »
Yeah - I know, I know. Managed under 500 miles on it first time round. Seized solid on the timing side bush. 3k miles under my belt this time and running good. (Doh, done it again).
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Re: How often do you clean the sludge trap ?
« Reply #4 on: 10.11. 2015 18:02 »
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Re: How often do you clean the sludge trap ?
« Reply #5 on: 10.11. 2015 20:14 »
so now my monitor has a finger end smudge on it  *smile* *smile* *smile*
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Re: How often do you clean the sludge trap ?
« Reply #6 on: 10.11. 2015 22:35 »
Has my 52 A10 GF got a sludge trap ?

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Re: How often do you clean the sludge trap ?
« Reply #7 on: 11.11. 2015 19:31 »
They've all got a sludge trap but the radial bolted LJ crank has a removable tube whereas the others don't.

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Re: How often do you clean the sludge trap ?
« Reply #8 on: 11.11. 2015 21:52 »
How often do you clean the sludge trap ?
( every time the engine has been striped down  )
A more accurate answer, is needed 

What is your experience in cleaning necessity, when using good quality oil, low detergent mono grade and very frequent oil changing ?

The sludge trap in my BSA SR was last cleaned in 2002. The old crank broke do to wrong side finish on the large journal (big ends).

The bike has been used approx. 10.000 miles since fitting a “new” / re-engineered crank shaft from SRM.
Oil change: Every 1000 miles, minimum 2. times @ year.   SAE 40 spring, SAE 50 summer.

Use: Always warmed up correctly, but the engine is always used with plenty of throttle 
(One of the reason for having a SR: quick and plenty of power).

In MHO if the owner does not know when the sludge trap was last cleaned it is good practice to use monogrades which are less likely to dislodge or wash through existing sludge.
If an engine has been stored and the history is unknown, I would be recommending a strip and clean of the traps along with a bearing review, however this would also be because I would want to know if the drive side bearing was on its way out and whether the shells were knackered…
If you have cleaned the traps, then their behavior is tied to the nature of consistent oil and filtration involved; so that the properties of the sludge build up are not interfered with by suddenly adopting a high detergent oil after the use on non detergent oils. I would not consider the sludge trap to be an item that you would be stripping an engine to directly address, rather an item to address whenever the bottom end is inspected which could arguably be every 100,000 miles and 30 years…
On my race engine I routinely replace the main bearing shells so take the opportunity to clean the trap, it invariably has little in it, but I have the motor down so it gets done.
Way way back in my youth I had a number of little BSA/Triumph 250 twins (the scooter) and ruined a motor because I fixed it up but didn’t flush the sludge trap. The fresh oil dislodged the sludge and ran the main bearings.
Personally I believe the answer “every time the engine has been stripped down” is adequate, because an engine showing no mechanical signs of distress does not need its sludge trap cleaning and with routine oil changes the trap will outlast the knock from a set of main bearings
Just my 10 cents worth.
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Re: How often do you clean the sludge trap ?
« Reply #9 on: 12.11. 2015 08:38 »
I agree with TT. The first job on a new acquisition if it's unknown is a motor strip, examine and rebuild. I use multi grade oil and an inline filter so theoretically the trap should remain clear. I was surprised that after only 10,000 miles crud had started to build up, but at that rate it would have been 200,000 before it became blocked.
It's just one of those jobs. If the motors out, do it.
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Re: How often do you clean the sludge trap ?
« Reply #10 on: 14.11. 2015 13:31 »
Have I got to split the crankcases to remove the plug and check the sludge trap ?

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Re: How often do you clean the sludge trap ?
« Reply #11 on: 14.11. 2015 14:33 »
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Have I got to split the crankcases to remove the plug and check the sludge trap ?
Unfortunately yes

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Re: How often do you clean the sludge trap ?
« Reply #12 on: 14.11. 2015 19:09 »
but you'd also need to split the cases to check the main and big end bearings...particularly the plain bush
Its sound practice to replace the flimsy drive side bearing and throw in a fresh set of shells if all is well. 
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