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How to tension primary chain
« on: 19.06. 2023 08:44 »
Hi, I'm new to this excellent forum,advice needed if ok, could anyone describe the process of adjusting the primary chain on a 1960 swinging arm a10,

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Re: How to tension primary chain
« Reply #1 on: 19.06. 2023 09:10 »
Hi Andymc. Welcome to 'Probably the best forum, in the world'  *welcome*.


I think Admin will be moving your question to the appropriate forum section.
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Re: How to tension primary chain
« Reply #2 on: 19.06. 2023 09:18 »
This is achieved by moving the gearbox backwards/forwards as required. Be aware that the primary chain will have 'tight spots' due to slight eccentricity of the clutch drum and drive sprocket. I'd set the slack to be no more than 1/2" at its slackest spot, then check that there is still some play at the tight spots. The gearbox has a very large bolt across the top which passes through the adjuster eye bolt. It has a similar bolt underneath that the gearbox swivels on.  Slacken both the large bolts then use the adjuster nuts on the eye bolt to slide the gearbox back until the chain is a bit too tight, then gradually move the adjuster nuts again to move the gearbox forward to the desired tension, then tighten all the bolts really well, and lock up the adjuster nuts. Moving the gearbox will also affect the tension on the rear chain of course so you need to finally check that and adjust as necessary bearing in mind that the chain will go tight as the suspension is compressed so it is worth doing this, for the first time with the rear shocks removed to identify the tightest position of the chain relative to the swinging arm and make sure you still have a bit of slack. Ride the bike a few miles and check again as things tend to move due to poor, original, manufacturing tolerances!
You don't need to read the next bit but, for the benefit of some, there is a technical reason why, when adjusting the gearbox and primary chain it is necessary to move the gearbox forwards to achieve the correct tension. This is because the torque at the rear wheel is greater (according to a conversation I had with Bob Newby of Bob Newby Racing - the transmission specialist). The rear wheel will therefore tend to pull the gearbox back so, to overcome this, it is necessary to ensure that there is no gap between the the cross-bolt and the back of the eye bolt tensioner, a gap which will be filled if the gearbox gets pulled back, then the primary chain will be too tight.

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Re: How to tension primary chain
« Reply #3 on: 19.06. 2023 10:14 »
G'day Andy  *welcome*
Yes I moved it!
Just to add to CB's reply.
Back off the rear chain first.
 Loosen the bottom bolt just, so it still has drag. Adjust the top "bolt" as described. The problem is the top bolt (adjuster) pulls on one side and can make the g/box not square to the motor. Best to check alignment before it's al tightened up. Once happy with slack and alignment of the primary, tighten up and do the rear chain.
Not wanting to make a simple job hard, just wanting it to be right. Misalignment is the fastest way to wear a chain.
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Re: How to tension primary chain
« Reply #4 on: 19.06. 2023 12:52 »
First, the bit about going too tight, then loosening, is new to me and will be used the next time I need to adjust. Not that I can add much to the two mentors, but my practice is to loosen the top cross-bolt liberally and the bottom just slightly, for the reason mentioned by Muskie, alignment.

Richard L.

Edit: The page from the manual (next post) says the top and bottoms bolts should both be "just" slackened, rather than the top "liberally" slackened, as I mention above. That's fine, I see it, but still think the bottom should stay tighter than the top during adjustment, as the top has to slide along.

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Re: How to tension primary chain
« Reply #5 on: 19.06. 2023 13:26 »
Andy, If there is any slack in the adjusters, the rear chain will pull the gearbox back until all the slack is taken up. That is why CheeserBeezer said to take it back, then forward so the slack has been taken up. And the big bolts have to be tight. Muskrat's filled in the rest.
Years ago ( 54 years actually), when I did not understand this, My Swingarm A7 rear chain pulled back and put the primary under tension. I could feel the heat from the chaincase through my boot and had to stop on the roadside due to the whine. When checking the primary chain tension, I burnt by finger. It destroyed the primary chain, clutch bearings and sprockets despite the oil. I also wasn't tightening the gearbox big bolts tight enough. You need them f'n tight. I also adjust the rear wheel so that the chain slack is about 1-1/2 " when on the stand, so about 3/4 - 1" when off the stand and sitting on the bike to make sure the rear chain cannot put tension on the gearbox.
BSA Service Sheet No. 310 provides this sequence quite well. (See extract from 310 attached)
Top Bolt Nuts need a 13/16" AF or SAE spanner, and bottom an odd 25/32" AF fits perfectly if they are still original.
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Re: How to tension primary chain
« Reply #6 on: 19.06. 2023 13:48 »
i fitted a newby belt drive conversion, end of problem!! its quiet and smooth and i got a clutch that works which means i can find neutral at the traffic lights
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Re: How to tension primary chain
« Reply #7 on: 19.06. 2023 18:47 »
Probably not as easy as with a Newby belt-drive clutch, but I find neutral OK with my 6-spring.

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Re: How to tension primary chain
« Reply #8 on: 19.06. 2023 21:35 »
The standard set-up on my plunger A7 beats 'em all..