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Re: Goldstar/RGS tank badge problems
« Reply #15 on: 13.04. 2023 19:46 »
In My Humble Opinion! ...If you can't figure out a solution to this simple problem... Why are you even on here? You should be just getting a professional to do the job, or have the 'gumption' (practical intelligence) to sort out a good fix. Really it's pretty easy stuff ain't it ?!. Common sense FGS.

Who rattled your cage? If you don't like the thread, don't read it! I've been working on classic bikes for 60 years so I do know a bit about what I'm talking about. If it's such a simple fix, let's have your solution, I'm sure we would all be grateful for your great experience on this particular issue, I'm always happy to learn from others, which is what I thought was the purpose of a forum?
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Re: Goldstar/RGS tank badge problems
« Reply #16 on: 13.04. 2023 20:43 »
G'day Sakura.
This was a thread from 2014. We appreciate your input.
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Re: Goldstar/RGS tank badge problems
« Reply #17 on: 13.04. 2023 21:30 »
Thanks Musky, your input is always valuable and appreciated.
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Re: Goldstar/RGS tank badge problems
« Reply #18 on: 13.04. 2023 23:23 »
Just 'havin' a laugh really - though it's not really funny is it? Sorry for being a 'wise-guy' Sakura.
I fixed nice new tank badges to my Lyta Alloy tank very successfully, and obviously that's a compound curved surface never meant for a badge.
I'm sure you could manage it Sakura, it just takes a bit of ingenuity, common sense and the right adhesives.
I'll see if I can find any pics I took as I did it.

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Re: Goldstar/RGS tank badge problems
« Reply #19 on: 14.04. 2023 04:33 »
the same grade of Sika-Flex that is used to glue door panels to frames is the stuff to use
Make sure that you put some stainless self tappers through the bolt holes when you doit because the glue will adhere to the paint on the back of the badge and not to the actual badge

OR you can take the tank off put the sika-Flex on the badge then push it onto the tank till it oozes out of the bolt holes
Smooth this down with a wet finger and when dry cut back flush with a very sharp razor blade so the Sika-Fles comes through like a rivet .
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Re: Goldstar/RGS tank badge problems
« Reply #20 on: 14.04. 2023 05:02 »
My solution:
I wanted to put those cool BSA Gold Star Plastic badges on my tank. But it’s a 5 gall alloy Lyta, so there’s no screw fixing bracket on the tank, and no flat section or bracket to screw the badges to. So here’s my solution.

I wanted this whole thing to be ‘reversible’ ie- no welding and the ability to unscrew and replace the badges if needed. So I made the following:

It goes like this:

1 .Position and align a tank badge on one side. Tape it in position.
2. make a paper template -cut around the badge circle the correct diameter hole for the badge. Tape on the paper template around the badge onto the tank.
3. mark reference lines on the template for the tank shape in pencil and add horizontal line of screw hole centres. This is all for alignment - you can turn it over using your reference marks for the other side, both sides are the same. The most important thing is to align the badge mounting holes parallel with the lower edge of the tank - so they’re both aligned horizontally.
You need pencil alignment guides, so now remove the template and hold the template against a window ‘back to front’ so you can trace the alignment lines onto the reverse side of the paper.
4. fabricate two alloy strips - 3mm thick is about right, by about 10mm wide and length to span the badge mounting holes, 3mm thick ally is enough meat for a 4BA screw to screw into.
The ally brackets need slight bends that match the inside contour of the badges.
5. Drill and tap for 4BA, using the badge holes as the alignment for drilling. The alignment and angles drilled and tapped need to be accurate.
6. Out of an old inner tube make x2 rings that will glue just inside the badges back ‘lip’. Glue these into the backs of the badges using cyano glue or contact adhesive.
7. Make x4 small rubber ‘washers’ that will fit behind between the badges and the aluminium brackets, for vibration insulation.
8. Using your templates you can now mark the holes on each side of the tank. Best trick here is to position the badges- aligned and taped on and just dip the end of a cotton bud in paint, push the cotton bud through the screw holes and you should have perfectly aligned marks that will later be used when you glue the ally brackets to the tank.

Take a breath… pour another glass…

Now. assuming you have your 4BA screws are cut to length (Obviously they need to be short so they don’t contact the tank at all when tightened (not too tight- just a gentle nip), and nicely dressed so they enter the threads in the ally brackets easily).
 
The alloy strips need to be glued on to the tank -I used 24 hour Araldite. The tank surface needs to be thoroughly roughed up with 80 grade sandpaper, and the glue spread over a wide area, (but obviously not out as far as the rubber outer ring that’s on the badge, and not only behind the strip, - run a bead of glue over the top of the strip (outside) as well. You can use a thickener in the Araldite like Microballoon or flock powder. And do each one level I.e with the tank on it’s side so the glue doesn’t run.

It’s harder to explain than do! But the idea is to isolate the delicate plastic badge from the metal so vibration doesn’t shatter it.
Remember what I'm doing here is making it so the badge can be replaced... It's not just sticking the badge onto the tank. You stick the alloy bracket only, so the badge can be replaced, and it's isolated from vibes.
Once I fitted it I made rubber trims out of mudflap rubber (tricky cut!) mounted behind the lower half of the badge to make it look 'complete'.




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Re: Goldstar/RGS tank badge problems
« Reply #21 on: 14.04. 2023 05:51 »
G'day Jools.
Thanks M8 I'll use that method. Looks like the f/glass tank on the Cafe is shot. Looking at a Lyta (only in steel, can't afford alloy) from our Indian friends!
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Re: Goldstar/RGS tank badge problems
« Reply #22 on: 14.04. 2023 08:43 »
Araldite easy peasy onto a painted yonda tank been on yonks survived petrol spills and all the other vibes these bikes give us

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Re: Goldstar/RGS tank badge problems
« Reply #23 on: 14.04. 2023 09:02 »
Just 'havin' a laugh really - though it's not really funny is it? Sorry for being a 'wise-guy' Sakura.
I fixed nice new tank badges to my Lyta Alloy tank very successfully, and obviously that's a compound curved surface never meant for a badge.
I'm sure you could manage it Sakura, it just takes a bit of ingenuity, common sense and the right adhesives.
I'll see if I can find any pics I took as I did it.
Apology accepted. I've learned the hard way that jokes don't work well on email etc. Thanks for your detailed write up. Adhesive or silicone definitely seems the way to go.
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Re: Goldstar/RGS tank badge problems
« Reply #24 on: 14.04. 2023 09:28 »
G'day Jools.
Thanks M8 I'll use that method. Looks like the f/glass tank on the Cafe is shot. Looking at a Lyta (only in steel, can't afford alloy) from our Indian friends!
Cheers
I bought a alloy Lyta look alike from India 2 years ago £240, about the same as some  steel tanks. Good tank, right shape,  all the right threads. No problems.
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Re: Goldstar/RGS tank badge problems
« Reply #25 on: 14.04. 2023 10:33 »
I was lucky enough to get my Goldie Lyta tank direct from the ol' man (BG Hitchisson) from his workshop in Dartford, (near my old home village of Farningham, Kent) way back in the early eighties I think.
It was a fascinating factory - Dickensian... Everything, -bucks, patterns, walls etc (including the ol' bloke himself) were black from the alloy polishings.
I won't tell you what I paid back then, it'd make you weep!