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‘57 Plunger Chaincase oil capacity.
« on: 19.01. 2021 20:06 »
Hi,
Having assembled the engine on my ‘57 plunger with new seals and hoping there will be no leaks it’s time to add oil.

I have the plunger six spring clutch and have built it up dry with new plates and fitted the domed cover and gasket.
I think it must be important to add the right amount of oil to the chaincase, enough to lubricate the new primary chain and shock absorber but not so much as to flood the clutch.

Armed with a calibrated 100cc syringe I then tried to find out how much oil is required, I first looked in my Haynes manual page 10 and here is where my confusion starts.

At the top of the page is states Recommended Lubricants Chaincase 1/6 pint (95cc) Castro’s GTX 9(20/50)
At the bottom, it states Routine Maintenance and Capacities, Chaincase 8 fl oz (213cc) post ‘52 models. SAE 20.
No explanation for the discrepancy.
Section 32-17 states fill Chaincase with SAE 40 with level plug removed. This may be swinging arm models, but three different grades of oil cited so far.
Also Haynes conversion pints to floz to cc’s is way off, i.e. 4floz = 100cc and then immediately below 5.5floz = 213cc for example!

I then look at my service sheet No208 and it states that one screw serves as an oil level plug and another for level and maybe use a slightly lower screw hole for a lower level.
The only diagram I can find is Haynes, page 8, A is the drain plug and I guess B is the level plug ( for ‘48-‘59 models). Presumably the one in the middle is the lower level option. But looking at it both options appear to be lower than the bottom run of the chain.

I’ve searched the forum but have found a lot of differing views but little consensus.
Can anyone tell me the best practice maybe for my dry six spring plunger clutched Chaincase please.
Thank you,
Steve.

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Re: ‘57 Plunger Chaincase oil capacity.
« Reply #1 on: 19.01. 2021 20:46 »
G'day Steve.
I'm lazy so just fill till it dribbles out the level screw. That said the level is a little high. As long as the bottom run (at the base of the clutch basket) of the chain is covered is important.
I use ATF (aprox 30wt) so leaks are easy to spot!
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Re: ‘57 Plunger Chaincase oil capacity.
« Reply #2 on: 20.01. 2021 08:57 »
   Steve  The Longstroke A7 and later Plunger A7 and A10 engines all share the same common primary chain cover casting, 67 1701 but this is machined differently for early and later models to alter the oil capacity. As you can see, the level setting is the cutaway on one of the forward fixing setscrew positions in the lower run. Early models have this cutaway on the front lower screw position, a relatively high oil level, later versions its the next one back, (position B in Musky's diagram) reducing the level and published capacity. This capacity assumes the BSA copywriters got round to updating the service information way back when. Add to the mix Haynes covering all models, inaccurate conversions etc and it all adds to the confusion. The chaincase  diagram here is more of a composite of both plunger and S/A cases, so not strictly correct in description.

  In practice you want oil to lubricate the chain, not the clutch, and the chain just needs to have the chainwheel teeth dipping the oil. A method that works for me is use published figures only as a rough guide, but run the engine at tickover and add oil until droplets start to flick into view, indicating oil is up to the chainwheel. Add just a little more to give a fairly consistent stream of descrete drops for luck and that's it.  That way you know the chain is lubricated, but the clutch stands a better chance of keeping dry.

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Re: ‘57 Plunger Chaincase oil capacity.
« Reply #3 on: 20.01. 2021 10:03 »
Hi Swarfy & Musky
Thank you for your replies,

My cutaway is on the front lower screw so the case is possibly from an earlier bike.
Interesting to learn of the design changes made concerning oil level as the bike developed.

Thank you for a common sense visual approach to setting the level, and of course a very quick method of checking the level periodically.

It seems logical that by keeping the clutch relatively dry the plate friction is higher and the basket spring pressure and hence clutch lever effort can be kept low.
I’ll also use ATF fluid as it can be easily identified if it leaks.
Thank you both again,
Steve.

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Re: ‘57 Plunger Chaincase oil capacity.
« Reply #4 on: 20.01. 2021 10:20 »
G'day Steve.
I'm lazy so just fill till it dribbles out the level screw. That said the level is a little high. As long as the bottom run (at the base of the clutch basket) of the chain is covered is important.
I use ATF (aprox 30wt) so leaks are easy to spot!
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