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Offline Allen R

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Super Rocket Crankshaft and journals question
« on: 27.01. 2025 17:57 »
Hi
I am restoring a1958 A10 Super rocket (basket case).
The crank-shaft is not really serviceable so I need to replace it.
Can anybody please tell me if my engine no CA10R 7898 should have small or large journal fitted?
Also what to look out for in getting one off eBay.
Many thanks
Allen
A10 Super Rocket 1958. Bantam D7 super 1966

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Re: Super Rocket Crankshaft and journals question
« Reply #1 on: 27.01. 2025 18:49 »
Hello and wellcome to this helpfull forum *smile*

The cases will fit small and lagre journal cranks.
So it doesnt matter wish you have. Look out for a big journal, but I think it is hart to find.
Also the conrods, SRM is out of stock, if you you can get a set it is expensive these days.

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Re: Super Rocket Crankshaft and journals question
« Reply #2 on: 27.01. 2025 19:40 »
What is wrong with your existing crank?  There are a number of work arounds.
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Re: Super Rocket Crankshaft and journals question
« Reply #3 on: 27.01. 2025 20:06 »
On one side it is very badly gouged and my 'man' said he cannot regrind them as they are too far gone. I can't use them as they are so have little choice but to look for an alternative.
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Re: Super Rocket Crankshaft and journals question
« Reply #4 on: 27.01. 2025 21:51 »
Just to clarify is it a big end or the TS journal that's gouged?
On the TS journal you can submerged arc weld and also there are -40 bushes.  Limit on big ends is -30 but other's may know of bigger under-sizes.
I sold a small journal crank (reground) with rods on e-bay last year and it made £120 so prices are sensible.  Its a case of looking out for when one comes along.
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Re: Super Rocket Crankshaft and journals question
« Reply #5 on: 28.01. 2025 10:04 »
  Reckon it started life with a big journal crank but see my other post today and I'm maybe not 100% sure.

 Service Sheet 207 covers cranks up to 1965, giving regrind specs for main and big end undersizes.

   Whatever crank you consider, all will need attention to the oilway between the big ends, the so called sludge trap. Also look for worn splines on the drive side, and if possible the condition of the crank web behind the roller main bearing, this area where the inner race abuts can become hollowed out if the race moves relative to the crank, destroys the shims then starts on the crank.

 Timing side left hand thread is fragile, look here for damage by hooligans smacking the end of the thread to drive the crank through the case to remove the timing gear. Wear to the timing side journal is annoying if worn below commercially available replacement bush size, but can be overcome by grinding enough to clean up, then fitting a custom bronze bush, line bored to fit the crank.

 Big ends journals can be metal sprayed and reground, but all this costs more than a good used crank. Big journal crank is favoured, but again commands a premium.

 Small journal A7 and A10 cranks are similar, (and easily distinguished from the big journal type with its 3 radial bolts). Some sellers don't know what they've got, measuring the stroke tells all as otherwise they are dimensionally identical which has come as a surprise to some buyers.

 Smallest undersize NOS shells for small journal that I have come across is 40 thou down. No point in buying one already ground on the lower limit, odd a couple of thou ovality  and you're back where you started. Rusty examples are sometimes a better bet, standard size discarded back in the day and emerging 50 years later. As always, you take your chance with ebay...

 But before you spend on anything, get a second opinion on how bad the damage is. All cranks are worth saving, and even as it is, there is value for someone.

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Re: Super Rocket Crankshaft and journals question
« Reply #6 on: 28.01. 2025 15:36 »
Hi
I am restoring a1958 A10 Super rocket (basket case).
The crank-shaft is not really serviceable so I need to replace it.
Can anybody please tell me if my engine no CA10R 7898 should have small or large journal fitted?
Also what to look out for in getting one off eBay.
Many thanks
Allen
If you're not too far away I can help with a crank.