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turning brass and slip rings
« on: 13.01. 2025 06:53 »
Hi Folks. I'm having a go at manufacturing slip rings. I've had good success making the mould and casting the slip ring and, within it, the brass contact strip. The problem I'm having is tidying the job up on the lathe. The tool seems to grab the brass and pull it out of the slip ring. I've had a look at this issue on google and youtube etc. and found that the cutting angles of the tool tip are different for brass as 'grabbing' is an issue with brass. Before I make the next one I'm tapping into the expertise amongst engineers on this forum to see if there are any hints and tips which might ensure that I get over the 'grabbing / snatching' problem. I'm even thinking that milling the contact area on the slip ring may be the solution. Over to you guys and thanks in anticipation.

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Re: turning brass and slip rings
« Reply #1 on: 13.01. 2025 08:18 »
Thinking back:
everything as rigid a possible to stop judder
zero rake and plenty of bottom relief
paraffin as a fluid
Perhaps a bit blunt too?
Thinking out loud here - you are cutting composite and brass on a single pass.  How about mounting a Dremel or drill in the slide and taking a very fine grind?
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Re: turning brass and slip rings
« Reply #2 on: 13.01. 2025 09:31 »
You're a brave man CB!
Here's a ha'pence worth of norralot, which you've probably already thought through . . .

As an opening observation, I haven't personally ever had trouble truing up original sliprings of any make, be they singles with 360° brass - easy - or segmented for twins, a bit more care needed. I doubt you have either. So it should be possible to finish-turn a new making from Chateau Priory.

But I have had trouble with certain replicas, where the plastic (or whatever) has been softer, cutting tools can grab, and as you say rip the brass segment out. This isn't something I've experienced with the modern sliprings of decent quality like the ones you sell, but, without naming names, I fitted 4 very smart looking rings from another source when there was rupture in supply of the UK bits, and  the HT brushes very quickly wore horrible grooves on the moulded track and then they fell to bits (brass segment ripped out) when I tried to rectify them.  That didn't amuse me much, as they were expensive too.

Assuming the materials are broadly up for the task, maybe it does come down to tooling and cutting speeds?
The pic here is pinched from L H Sparey's book, which I've always relied on for these sorts of things. The diagram shows the angles he recommends for brass, on a knife tool. (Not that most of us would ever be able to grind one up that accurately.)  A slightly blunted cutting edge maybe? He also reckons a tool height just below centre height will help. I don't know if this could be one of those jobs where a back toolpost could also help, but it sometimes does for some things? Not sure about suds either - wouldn't normally use on brass  . . . but there are exceptions I believe.

When I've been truing these things myself (I've never made one completely from scratch) I've tended to use a very narrow-nosed tool, almost a parting tool, fraction below centre height,  the tiniest depth of cut (half a thou maybe), relatively high speed and very fine feed, multiple passes, no suds.

What the heck - Good Luck!
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Re: turning brass and slip rings
« Reply #3 on: 13.01. 2025 09:39 »
Not to disagree with Sparey, but I'd go for a tool as sharp as something incredibly sharp, high speed and an extremely light cut.
Then again, I've never attempted to shape up a slip-ring..

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Re: turning brass and slip rings
« Reply #4 on: 13.01. 2025 11:34 »
Hi Folks. I'm having a go at manufacturing slip rings. I've had good success making the mould and casting the slip ring and, within it, the brass contact strip. The problem I'm having is tidying the job up on the lathe. The tool seems to grab the brass and pull it out of the slip ring. I've had a look at this issue on google and youtube etc. and found that the cutting angles of the tool tip are different for brass as 'grabbing' is an issue with brass. Before I make the next one I'm tapping into the expertise amongst engineers on this forum to see if there are any hints and tips which might ensure that I get over the 'grabbing / snatching' problem. I'm even thinking that milling the contact area on the slip ring may be the solution. Over to you guys and thanks in anticipation.

More power to your elbow for getting into manufacturing but aren't there already good quality slip rings available? I know there have been some poor examples but with your experience I'm sure you've sorted the wheat from the chaff by now? I have heard that Bob Culver makes good quality ones.
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Re: turning brass and slip rings
« Reply #5 on: 13.01. 2025 12:31 »
Hi All.
I was going to message CB to say talk to Bob but Sakura has posted his name here
I have been to Bob's place 11 years ago and saw the moulding machinery and moulds for the different sliprings
Quite a complicated  setup from memory?

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Re: turning brass and slip rings
« Reply #6 on: 13.01. 2025 12:48 »
Hi All.
I was going to message CB to say talk to Bob but Sakura has posted his name here
I have been to Bob's place 11 years ago and saw the moulding machinery and moulds for the different sliprings
Quite a complicated  setup from memory?

John

Last time I visited Bob was about 2 years ago. He has expended considerable time and effort into injection moulding various items. He's a very good practical and theoretical engineer and knows what he's doing. Doesn't suffer fools gladly, but neither do I!
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Re: turning brass and slip rings
« Reply #7 on: 13.01. 2025 16:20 »
Yes, I have a good relationship with Bob Culver, but I'm just experimenting at the moment. I have no intention of scaling up to Bob's level.

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Re: turning brass and slip rings
« Reply #8 on: 14.01. 2025 03:23 »
CB very impressive, good luck with your new venture.

Good advice already from the guys and as ever there is more than one way to skin a cat.  For sure you can try going ultra sharp, high speed and take tiny cuts but it may take you a month of sundays to get to size? On the other hand the more standard way to deal with brass is to take the edge off the tool with a stone and to grind it with reduced rake as mentioned. Normally brass is cut dry but parrafin may help if the plastic will stand it. Same goes for drilling brass too and try to avoid pilot drilling as in this case the web acts as a brake to prevent the drill from charging through the material just as fast as its helix dictates. This can be pretty spectacular when it happens.

Most importantly make sure all your gibs are nice and snugged up on the machine and ideally use a backlash eliminator to take out free movement in the leadscrew as if the brass is grabbing it will just pull the tool straight into the job if there is any free movement to be had

Hope this helps.
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