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Re: another vee?
« Reply #15 on: 02.05. 2023 09:38 »
Impressive pattern making. Do you need to allow for shrinkage?

Do you have more than one set cast?
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Re: another vee?
« Reply #16 on: 02.05. 2023 10:23 »
Hi GB,

Yes, there are several considerations to be taken into account. First is draft angle (I use 2 *) otherwise the pattern will not extract from the sand. And that applies to all parts of the mould. Shrinkage allowance depends on several factors - type of alloy used, pouring temperature, effect of 'risers' placed by the casters etc. 
And, as always. I have two of everything made. If I make a cock-up when machining or the engine goes bang later on, I don't then have to go through the process of getting more castings made. Making two of everything (or in the case of barrels, three) is more convenient and cheaper to have done 'whilst they're at it' than the alternative. And that way one can be sure they'll never be needed!
I'm not a pattern-maker by trade and glad I'm not. It's something that might fascinate the sort of people who spend years making fantastic model trains, but I don't really enjoy it. It's the fiddly bits, like trying to get a perfectly smooth radius (and draft angle!) at the base of the lugs you see inside the timing cover that test my patience. And these are relatively simple, one piece patterns. Imagine making a pattern for a cylinder head where several inter-locking parts are required - all able to be extracted from the sand. And that's without worrying about cores for ports etc.
As it is, I have to make a core box for the new cylinder barrels, but at least that's straightforward. Even the previous engine wasn't too bad, where the cylinder barrels needed a core for the timing chain tunnel as well.

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Re: another vee?
« Reply #17 on: 15.05. 2023 14:12 »
Bit more yesterday.
Crankcase patterns are currently winging their way to the foundry and the crank is on its way back from nitriding, so I set about one of the smaller jobs - making the cams. Last pic is of the finished product before case-hardening. I chose the 'K' profile as it was the only suitable one I had to hand. It's slightly more dwell (310 / 295) than I'd prefer, but the ability to design something better sadly went with my mate George. I used to enjoy designing cams, but without access now to a decent pantograph I can no longer get a master cam made from my pattern (from which the finished product is copied).
Really must make a start on the cylinder barrel pattern.
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Re: another vee?
« Reply #18 on: 15.05. 2023 20:32 »
G'day RD.
The black art of valve/cam timing. 310/295, 99 overlap. Just a bit more inlet than the 357 cam (299/295, 88 overlap).
Your a clever fella.
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Re: another vee?
« Reply #19 on: 23.06. 2023 17:56 »
Castings arrived today.
Been rather busy these last couple of weeks: lathe needing bearings replaced, two of my classic cars and my daily driver developing faults (managed to get home each time without the dreaded breakdown truck). Then my two pillar lift started playing up - transpired a bad connection in the switchfuse meaning the voltages were 240/240/80. Finally my fishing launch needed a bit of TLC including a rudder restore where part of the blade had got loose - glue had given up retaining the dowels, but I did build it 47 years ago! Oh, and I'm putting a new tiled roof on a cottage washhouse......
So not much time for the bikes, but must make a start machining those cases.
As usual, quality of the castings is excellent; been using Butlers on / off for around 40yrs.
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Re: another vee?
« Reply #20 on: 23.06. 2023 18:04 »
I imagine converting those castings into beautiful engine casings is something you look forward to.
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Re: another vee?
« Reply #21 on: 23.06. 2023 19:45 »
Crikey RD, how do you find time to eat and shIt  *????*
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Re: another vee?
« Reply #22 on: 23.06. 2023 21:22 »
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Re: another vee?
« Reply #23 on: 04.09. 2023 21:31 »
Sept 4th - bit more progress. Been kinda distracted recently with property maintenance, eg replacing the washhouse roof on a cottage I own. A real nightmare these 400yr old buildings - nothing is plumb, square or anything else. Fitted new wall plates, rafters and battens - I'm currently about 3/4 way through replacing the tiles - even they're a PITA, as every one is a slightly different shape to the next one.

Anyway, I've managed to get a couple of hours in the workshop. Started machining the crankcases (seen here making the register) and put the tapped holes in the crank flywheels for fitment of balance plugs as required (5/8" UNF x 3/4" deep, 10 off). Essential when the most suitable balance factor is anyone's guess. *smile*
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Re: another vee?
« Reply #24 on: 05.09. 2023 09:19 »
Thank you for updating us. I'm sure most of us are following this thread. 👍
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Re: another vee?
« Reply #25 on: 29.09. 2023 19:22 »
Getting there slowly. Got around to making an engine stand this afternoon - better than chasing the engine around the bench, especially as the next job is to sort the timing gears. I'll be a bit held up though, as I'm waiting on a mate to surface grind the timing outrigger plate, and I still haven't ordered case-hardening material for the cams. Been unusually disorganised recently - too many things requiring my attention concurrently. Mind, forecast is good for tomorrow and, with one of the biggest tides of the year, I'll be out in the boat.
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Re: another vee?
« Reply #26 on: 01.10. 2023 16:26 »
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Re: another vee?
« Reply #27 on: 15.07. 2024 18:23 »
July '24 - getting there slowly. Crank cases now together and building engine around it. Barrels are finished, waiting for heads (much modified) to return from blasting (quickest was to clean fin area) so I can fit the guides I made together with Ford Pinto valves.
Gearbox overhaul next. Almost a problem with the clutch - was designed for belt-drive plunger type, but opted for Norton. Trouble is it's a fair bit bigger and almost doesn't fit in the primary. Also, converting it to belt looks nigh impossible.
Most vital parts made now, so now it's assembly time - together with modifying a PAS rack and pinion to fit my Ford.
 
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Re: another vee?
« Reply #28 on: 15.07. 2024 20:49 »
It looks good and strong  *smile*
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