Author Topic: 67-3203 Thrust Washer  (Read 821 times)

Offline Slymo

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67-3203 Thrust Washer
« on: 29.10. 2021 06:51 »
I have a spare swing arm box for my Super Rocket and it is complete apart from the thrust washer on the layshaft. I can make one easily enough but wonder about the metallurgy requirements. Does any one know if I can make it out of 4140 or similar or does it need to be hardened and maybe turned out of silver steel?
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Re: 67-3203 Thrust Washer
« Reply #1 on: 29.10. 2021 08:57 »
 I'll show my ignorance of metallurgy for once. I always accepted that where two parts were designed to be running against each other, the materials chosen were two different metals, hence the usual steel against brass, bronze or aluminium. Wear happens, fact of life, the softer bearing material is cheaper and easier to replace than a finely crafted complex shaft.

 In this case a softer brass or bronze washer should work, sandwiched by the layshaft on one side, big first gear on the other. It is not under any real heavy load, acting more as a spacer. I can only postulate BSA tried this in development as being cheap and easy to set things up but  that wear on this soft washer proved troublesome and hardened steel was chosen by the BSA boffins as a reliable fix.

Maybe Julian has something in the archives?

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Re: 67-3203 Thrust Washer
« Reply #2 on: 29.10. 2021 21:32 »
the layshaft washer is bevelled one side to fit the 3rd gear . i dare say harder thrust washers last longer.

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Re: 67-3203 Thrust Washer
« Reply #3 on: 31.10. 2021 10:24 »
 Made one out of 310 stainless. No issues to report
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Re: 67-3203 Thrust Washer
« Reply #4 on: 31.10. 2021 23:59 »
Excellent Cheers. I'll make one out of something tough and pop it on the shelf for when it is required. S:)
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Re: 67-3203 Thrust Washer
« Reply #5 on: 01.11. 2021 21:17 »
It is a thrust washer so needs to be hard and normally a ground finish. I wouldn't use stainless steel or any soft steel in this position.

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Re: 67-3203 Thrust Washer
« Reply #6 on: 02.11. 2021 10:32 »
Agreed Trevor, thrust washers are hard with ground finishes, to resist the thrust and not "catch" under pressure...

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Re: 67-3203 Thrust Washer
« Reply #7 on: 03.11. 2021 01:29 »
It is not a case of catching but rather having shallower hills & valleys
So there is physically more metal to metal contact face .
Thus the inital bedding in wear will result in less thickness being worn away
And in this case, grinding = polishing so a couple of minutes on different grades of wet & dry would sufice .
Or if you want to be anal, a coars & fine run on the wet &  dry then quench harden.
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Re: 67-3203 Thrust Washer
« Reply #8 on: 03.11. 2021 04:48 »
I've found a bar of suitably sized silver steel so will make one out of that and harden it. Hopefully that will fit the bill.
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