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Bikes, Pictures, Stories & more => Services, Parts Suppliers, Manufacturers => Topic started by: A10 Ray on 25.01. 2024 08:27
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Hi all,
About 2 weeks ago I took my A10 crankshaft in for a regrind, unfortunately the chap was ill so i decided to take it to a well motor engineers near the leicester city
centre, I asked how long would it take (I don't have alot of patients I what done now ha) he said 2 days good I said how much £40 was the reply I said ok do it.
2 days later he phoned said crank is done great I'll come and collect it, I give him the £40 and he said no should be £50 ( now I might be getting on in years 75 but I have all
my faculties I know what he said), I said no you said £40 and that all you are going to get, he said being it's you ok £40 (I thought don't try that one.)
My eldest Daughter said Dad you should have got it writing she is right of course as Daughters very often are.
So always get it writing lessons to be learnt.
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This whole area is a minefield. Years ago I dropped off a B31 wheel to have the brake skimmed. No rush I said, cash job, no paperwork - big mistake. A month later the company went into the receivership and the whole place was locked up with my wheel inside and no paperwork. Took months to get it back, I got an employee who had access to sneak it out.
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With reference to Limeyrob's post I suspect 'cash' means no paperwork and the business doesn't pay tax. I also suspect the crankshaft job, for £40 was also a 'cash' job. You get what you pay for. So, the consequence of that is you don't have any comeback or warranty, and schools and hospitals are denied the resources they need. If you swim with the sharks, you'll get eaten...eventually!
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Of course, and in my case the mate who said "I'll get that done for you" was one of the Directors and the company employed hundreds of staff. Yesterday i dropped off a brake plate, cylinder head and barrel at a local fabricators for welding. There was no question of paperwork and had I suggested I wanted some I think I would have been shown the door.
This week I sent rather a lot of money (for me) to the HRMC on self assessment so I feel more than comfortable spending some of my tax-paid cash with a local tradesman.
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Ask for the fella's business card and get him to scribble the date and the money on the back. That way there is some reference. As to the cost, fool that I am, I'll always give the fella a drink for his trouble, providing the job wasn't an outright Dick Turpin rip off to start with, bearing in mind some simple jobs turn out to be far more time consuming than expected and a certain amount of leeway has already been factored in. That way you are a little more welcome next time.
Cash jobs for "labour only" are fine...it's cash that will go back into the economy. Flair and enterprise need stimulus, not the multiplicity of rules and regulation that means our economic activity is more boxes ticked at the expense of less boxes made.
Swarfy.
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It sounds to me that some people are advocating tax evasion which is breaking the law and one of the reasons why our health workers and teachers are emigrating to Australia. I sometimes wonder what proportion of potential 'taxtake' is going into back-pockets. This may sound as though I'm dragging the post off-topic but it is at the very heart of the problem for those who are victims of shoddy workmanship. Getting some workmen to do a decent job in the first place is difficult enough without aiding and abetting them by 'knocking a bit off for cash'. Precisely why should a 'cash job' be cheaper than a properly invoiced or receipted job?
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Its going to get harder as there seems to be a lot less cash around these days in terms of people carrying 'folding stuff' in their pockets. I can see both sides of the argument, not wishing to condone anything illegal, but also taking Swarfy's point about the plethora of petty rules and regulations swamping every aspect of running a business to the point that people are finding its just not worth it anymore.
As regards the quick crankshaft regrind, I think I would be checking very carefully that it has the correct corner radii.... *eek*
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Veering slightly further off topic, why do people fall for politicians' promises of tax cuts and then kick up a fuss when we don't pay health care workers and others enough and the roads get neglected even further. To mention just a couple of examples.
Then there are the massive interest payments on the national debt which no-one mentions.
Back at bikes, some years ago I gave my Star Twin front wheel to a friend with a bike repair business to have a new rim laced on. Months went by, no wheel. It eventually turned out he had sold it. Who can you trust?
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At the next general election I shall vote the party that provides a cohesive plan to catch tax-dodgers, pay teachers and NHS staff properly, recruit intelligent police officers, and overhaul the justice system. This can only be achieved by a considerable increase in taxes which, in the long term, will benefit us all.
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Without getting too much into the politics, do some really believe NHS workers aren't well remunerated, and that if more cash is thrown their way things will instantly improve?
All the while the NHS has "Diversity managers" (and similar non-jobs) on huge salaries don't tell me the NHS is cash-strapped.
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I’m quite happy to pay cash to help them dodge tax, so long as the price is discounted a bit.
*smile*
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At the next general election I shall vote the party that provides a cohesive plan to catch tax-dodgers, pay teachers and NHS staff properly, recruit intelligent police officers, and overhaul the justice system.
You should bear in mind that the cohesive plan will fail.
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Are NHS staff poorly paid well by comparison to private hospital staff yes so I would be very happy to pay an additional % to basic rate tax to increase there pay .
I love the rose tinted policies suggested by cheeserbezzer except it relys on mp's to implement the changes needed and you simply can't trust 'em well except when it comes to increasing the already inflated salarty/expences
I'm 75 and still paying tax would I get a job done for cash .....possibly.
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brilliant , " a plan to catch tax dodgers" the ones who make the rules for us plebs to obey are the BIGGEST tax dodgers and rule breakers ever to breath air. Lets cast the net!! when they get found out they say things like " sorry " and i did it in the SPIRIT of the rules. the WHOLE system is FULL of corruption and dodgy dealing at the heart of governments everywhere, and the more dodgy they are the more they get promoted , just look at dodgy Dave Cammoron!! ffs i need the revolution as for a geezer doing me a bit of welding for 20 quid and not declaring it -- well good on him when you see what the rule makers are getting away with, ROBBING us BLIND while giving our money to their mates for big contracts and then getting some of our money passed back to them for party propaganda broadcasting.. rant over.
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When I need more specialised welding than I can do (crankcases, cylinder fins etc) I use a one-man-band of long acquaintance.
He likes to do little cash in hand jobs like these on a Friday afternoon while doing much bigger tasks during the week.
When I give him the £20 or £30 quid for something like this I don't consider it "tax evasion" just recognising that the bigger account jobs pay his bills while mine pays for his fags over the weekend.
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At the next general election I shall vote the party that provides a cohesive plan to catch tax-dodgers, pay teachers and NHS staff properly, recruit intelligent police officers, and overhaul the justice system. This can only be achieved by a considerable increase in taxes which, in the long term, will benefit us all.
Ooohh, this is a tasty one. CB, I have absolute respect for you, but I have to ask the following:
1. There is no political party that understands morality on the scale you propose. Catching tax dodgers whilst their 'mates' are shown the loopholes is a prerequisite of politics, it would seem.
2. 'Intelligence' and 'Police Officer' seldomly belong in the same sentence (in my humble experience).
3. The judiciary are in the pockets of the rich, not to mention being influenced by whomever it may benefit.
4. Sue works for the NHS and I worked in a school. From what we both know and have seen, staff are remunerated very well.
This may boil down to whether one has faith in the system or not. I'm afraid it's becoming increasingly difficult to trust politicians and 'the system' when all one sees is corruption, lies, hypocrisy and arrogance. If anyone needed any proof of that, just look at the last 13 years of Tory 'rule' - especially Johnson.
I do not trust anyone in authority, preferring to make my own judgements as to what I should, or should not, be doing. I would support any political party that could demonstrate a single iota of integrity and honesty.
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I'm a volunteer Public Governor for an NHS Trust. They turn over close to 1 billion £ a year and have huge amounts of money. The junior doctors that are on strike regularly post their ski trips on their social media, ditto the consultants who are an annual bonus that exceeds £120,000 but still strike for more. Its gets little mention but a significant contributor to the shortage of Doctors and Consultants is the rule that once they have accrued a million pound pension pot they can't add more so they resign. For a consultant they hit the £1M around mid 50's and that earns them £50,000 per year for life from 60 at our expense while they are free to practice privately.
The NHS needs lots of things but money is not one of them.
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I'm a volunteer Public Governor for an NHS Trust. They turn over close to 1 billion £ a year and have huge amounts of money. The junior doctors that are on strike regularly post their ski trips on their social media, ditto the consultants who are an annual bonus that exceeds £120,000 but still strike for more. Its gets little mention but a significant contributor to the shortage of Doctors and Consultants is the rule that once they have accrued a million pound pension pot they can't add more so they resign. For a consultant they hit the £1M around mid 50's and that earns them £50,000 per year for life from 60 at our expense while they are free to practice privately.
The NHS needs lots of things but money is not one of them.
quod erat demonstrandum
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At the next general election I shall vote the party that provides a cohesive plan to catch tax-dodgers, pay teachers and NHS staff properly, recruit intelligent police officers, and overhaul the justice system. This can only be achieved by a considerable increase in taxes which, in the long term, will benefit us all.
Ooohh, this is a tasty one. CB, I have absolute respect for you, but I have to ask the following:
1. There is no political party that understands morality on the scale you propose. Catching tax dodgers whilst their 'mates' are shown the loopholes is a prerequisite of politics, it would seem.
2. 'Intelligence' and 'Police Officer' seldomly belong in the same sentence (in my humble experience).
3. The judiciary are in the pockets of the rich, not to mention being influenced by whomever it may benefit.
4. Sue works for the NHS and I worked in a school. From what we both know and have seen, staff are remunerated very well.
This may boil down to whether one has faith in the system or not. I'm afraid it's becoming increasingly difficult to trust politicians and 'the system' when all one sees is corruption, lies, hypocrisy and arrogance. If anyone needed any proof of that, just look at the last 13 years of Tory 'rule' - especially Johnson.
I do not trust anyone in authority, preferring to make my own judgements as to what I should, or should not, be doing. I would support any political party that could demonstrate a single iota of integrity and honesty.
I agree with almost everything you say. Society is broken because the people in whom we vest our trust set the worst examples. It is interesting that people have absolutely no qualms about tax dodging. £20 quid here, £30 quid there, matters. Petty crime breeds greater crime if we allow the petty criminals to get away with it. Doctors and teachers are leaving their professions or emigrating in droves because of poor pay and other societal matters. Those of us who are decent and honest mustn't give up, and we should not turn a blind eye to dishonesty and corruption. Honesty is a fundamental trait of decent people. Swindling the taxman, thereby shifting the tax burden onto honest people, is dishonest and selfish no matter how large or small.
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Which ignores the basic fact that were I to ask him to put those £20-30 jobs through the books, he would probably decline to do them on the basis that it then wouldn't be worth his time.
We're not talking £10K kitchens or £30K extensions going through on the nod, and while the argument of "ah yeah but mine's only a little amount so it's alright" shouldn't be used, it's still unrealistic to expect him (or anyone else) to have to spend his valuable time on book-keeping such nominal amounts.
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when the rule makers start obeying there own laws i will start obeying them , maybe? i don't like the fact that if i take a bit of money dishonestly i get more jail than you do if you have stabbed someone, money is far more important than life in many cases . when rees smug the victorian multi millionaire toffee nosed tory starts paying his fair share of tax along with the rest of the gang of corrupt dictators with off shore bank accounts i may then stop being a naughty boy, untill then they can SOD orffff, Gangsters the lot of them . As for Kingy and that lot of scroungers they can SOD orfff as well, get rid of that lot and house homeless veterans in buck house instead of clearing them off the streets for a royal shin dig so the public don't see them, viva revo!
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Respect to all comments and commentators *ex*
As for me, I just CAN'T seem to get the rebel out of my system. Maybe if a better example was set by authority, I'd abide by it a bit more. Still seems to me that castigating a fella for a £30 job because he's not declared it, compared to a multi-billionaire who's hidden his money away on offshore accounts, etc, is a bit too steep for me to accept - the govt get plenty of money from taxes which is squandered so easily on all sorts of rubbish and failures.
Subsequent govts have failed to win the trust of the public, so the public don't trust them. The antagonism that exists, and the unfairness and inflexibility of the 'system' leads people to 'go underground', not just with income and taxes, but with a host of other things. Even now with Ebay and other online market places, they are required to inform HMRC of certain people's trading habits so they can claw back a bit more cash.
If taxes were spent properly, everyone paid their dues fairly, and the govt genuinely worked for (and listened) to the public, I may start to be a bit more 'friendly' towards it. Until then, I will have to decide for myself.
A squadron of pigs just flew over my house *ex* *whistle* *wink2*
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the same squadron had formated over my house just as I was posting they were pulling a banner saying " its ok to not declare £60milloin profit if you just want to protect your family and then lie about it to "
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Topdad , *pull hair out* don't get me started on those gangsters that get knighted and the like while robbing the british tax payers and doing everything to avoid paying their taxes *bash*, i will be back on the fags in a second and haven't had one for 9 days now *shh*
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sorry to have set you off Berger but I don't want to be the start of you smoking again , so I'll be quiet
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Guys! Its taken me 3 hours to trial assemble a 4 spring clutch and saw a nut in half for the clutch adjuster (I'm too tight to but a half nut...). I don't think I'm ready to deal with wealth inequality, tax evasion and the redesign of the UK income tax regime to be non-regressive. Unfortunately I'm more concerned with inheritance tax, perhaps its an age thing *sad2*
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Topdad , *pull hair out* don't get me started on those gangsters that get knighted and the like while robbing the british tax payers and doing everything to avoid paying their taxes *bash*, i will be back on the fags in a second and haven't had one for 9 days now *shh*
Don't light up Bergs, those things will kill ya ....... and you'll be putting loads of 'fag tax' in the pockets of the idiots who are failing to run the country *ex* *rant* *rant* *angry* *angry*