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Title: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: CheeserBeezer on 09.08. 2022 13:25
Just realised its about four months since I posted progress, so here's an update. Engine / gearbox in, some parts at the chrome plating shop. Petrol tank at my mate's for painting. Wiring done - everything works but can't check charging until engine runs. My dynamo and mag so should be OK?! Hoping to tighten engine mounts, fit chain and chainguard today. Pigs saddled and ready to fly!
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: RichardL on 09.08. 2022 13:35
That's stupid amazing! If you have any trouble with the mag or dynamo I know a place you could send them. *whistle*

Richard L.
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: CheeserBeezer on 09.08. 2022 14:30
That's stupid amazing! If you have any trouble with the mag or dynamo I know a place you could send them. *whistle*

Richard L.

... yeh but the lazy bugger's on holiday at the moment!
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: Greybeard on 09.08. 2022 14:35
Looking great Andrew 👍
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: Sav on 10.08. 2022 08:38
Certainly looking a bit better!

Be passing by you on the way to The Island on Tuesday afternoon.
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: CheeserBeezer on 05.10. 2022 15:19
Just realised that it was the 9th August I last posted about progress on the RGS dredged up from the Manchester Ship Canal, so here goes....photos attached! I've not ridden it yet, just wheeled it out of the garage for the 'after' photos. The 'before' photos were posted on the forum a few months ago. The bike was dumped in 1964, dredged out in 1980, came into my possession in 2000, and finally back on the road today....yahay!!
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: BigJim on 05.10. 2022 16:23
Utterly butterly beautiful. I want one! What compression pistons did you put in there and is an rrt2 gearbox?
 *dribble* *dribble* *yeah* *yeah* *beer* *beer*
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: CheeserBeezer on 05.10. 2022 16:31
Utterly butterly beautiful. I want one! What compression pistons did you put in there and is an rrt2 gearbox?
 *dribble* *dribble* *yeah* *yeah* *beer* *beer*

Original Hepolites (proper original - not Wassell pretend grubby box) 8.25:1, Yes RRT2, original box out of the Ship Canal, surprisingly useable, refurbished by Richard Clamp. Thanks for the kind remarks.
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: groily on 05.10. 2022 16:58
We need more than a like button. That's a LOVE! Incredible job, there aren't enough plaudits and oohs and aahs to pay proper tribute to that bit of work!
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: a10 gf on 05.10. 2022 17:03
Unbelievably great *eek* *eek* *eek* *smile* *smile* *smile*


... I knew *smile* > https://www.a7a10.net/forum/index.php?topic=16757.msg143819#msg143819
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: Greybeard on 05.10. 2022 17:43
Oh boy that's a proper job that is 👍
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: Greybeard on 05.10. 2022 17:45
I like that you got the clearance between the tyre and rear guard to look correct.
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: berger on 05.10. 2022 18:40
you must be grinning from ear to ear just looking at it, oh you are i can see your reflection in the tank *dribble*
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: muskrat on 05.10. 2022 20:03
G'day Andrew.
Mighty fine job M8  *yeah*
After all that work (in record time) it would have to be a keeper for life.
Cheers
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: CheeserBeezer on 05.10. 2022 20:58
Thank you all for your very kind remarks. It is the bike I have always wanted so, yes, it is a keeper!
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: trevinoz on 05.10. 2022 22:09
Beautiful work, Andrew.
All you need is the correct horn and Tricon switch and it would be almost perfect. The left exhaust pipe looks like one of Armour's ill fitting concoctions.
I hope that it goes as well as it looks.
Not trying to be negative but constructive.
I can only hope that mine will again look as well but I think that time is against me.
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: Joolstacho on 05.10. 2022 22:24
An absolute GEM!
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: CheeserBeezer on 05.10. 2022 23:03
Beautiful work, Andrew.
All you need is the correct horn and Tricon switch and it would be almost perfect. The left exhaust pipe looks like one of Armour's ill fitting concoctions.
I hope that it goes as well as it looks.
Not trying to be negative but constructive.
I can only hope that mine will again look as well but I think that time is against me.
I managed to pick up the correct tricon (Britax) switch at an autojumble at the weekend. What is the correct horn? You're right about the Armours exhaust. I still have the original but, if found to be unusable, what's the alternative?
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: chaterlea25 on 05.10. 2022 23:44
Hi Andrew
Bike looks GREAT *ex*
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what's the alternative?
I do not know if "Cake st Classics" is still on the go or not? but I bought a siamese pipe from Roger that looks 100% like the original BSA. The sharp LH side bend is a heavier walled tube and fits the head correctly, the way the 2:1 joint is made is as original

May I ask where you got the wide dual seat from?  I need one

John
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: CheeserBeezer on 06.10. 2022 07:10


May I ask where you got the wide dual seat from?  I need one

John
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The base is original, repaired by me. The cover and sponge fitted by RK Leighton. I'll have a look and see if I can help you with a seat.
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: Joolstacho on 06.10. 2022 07:31
Trev, you reckon that horn is incorrect?
I have the same one which I thought was the original. Can you give us a pic what the original looked like? Ta.
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: trevinoz on 06.10. 2022 07:34
Andrew, these are pictures of the correct horn, note the bezel should have the lip around the inside perimeter but if not available the flat one will do the job.
Horn is silver, the bracket is double set and painted black. The tone disc is silver also.
The siamese pipes are a bit hard to find . There is a bloke here in Australia who can make absolutely excellent sets but he chooses not to make any exhausts at the present.
I had him make me two sets of pipes and two Burgess type mufflers for my RGS and BVSR.
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: trevinoz on 06.10. 2022 07:37
Jools, all of the swinging arm A7 & A10s used the horn with the corrugated tone disc 1954-7 and thereafter when the nacelle was not fitted.
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: Billybream on 06.10. 2022 07:38
Lovely job Andrew, enjoy
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: CheeserBeezer on 06.10. 2022 08:19
Andrew, these are pictures of the correct horn, note the bezel should have the lip around the inside perimeter but if not available the flat one will do the job.
Horn is silver, the bracket is double set and painted black. The tone disc is silver also.
The siamese pipes are a bit hard to find . There is a bloke here in Australia who can make absolutely excellent sets but he chooses not to make any exhausts at the present.
I had him make me two sets of pipes and two Burgess type mufflers for my RGS and BVSR.
Thanks Trev. I think this is the Lucas HF1235
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: trevinoz on 06.10. 2022 21:54
No Andrew, the horn is a HF1234. The HF1235 is the poverty model with painted bezel and cheese head screws.
I have converted many HF1235 to HF1234, mostly 12V from cars. I make new coils and fit them, bugger of a job, and chrome the bezel then fit the correct dome headed set screws.
Some bezels have " Lucas Altette" stamped on them but I fill the lettering with silver solder before plating.
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: trevinoz on 06.10. 2022 21:59
Another item to look out for is an ammeter.
Originally the RGS was fitted with the "window" type. Hard to find these days.
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: chaterlea25 on 07.10. 2022 00:01
Hi All
Andrew,
Any help on a seat base or more would be very much appreciated

Trev
Do you have a photo of a "window" type ammeter??  I cannot remember what my RGS came with or even if it had one  *sad2*

John
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: trevinoz on 07.10. 2022 23:12
John, I am now having second thoughts on the ammeter. 1962 had the familiar type but I was thinking that 1963 had the window type. I can't find anything to confirm this, maybe my brain going soft.
Anyway, pictured is the ammeter on my Atlas, a 12 amp type.
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: CheeserBeezer on 08.10. 2022 00:20
Regarding the ammeter, the headlamp I have fitted is a new-old-stock item retrieved from a dealer in Wales. I know it is correct because it had the correct headlamp switch and the internal wiring, under the switch panel, was obviously original. Also, of course, the plug/socket arrangement looks original so I have assumed the ammeter is correct. The unit was supplied in the original Lucas box, somewhat dusty. I daren't say how much paid for it!!!
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: Greybeard on 08.10. 2022 09:18
I daren't say how much paid for it!!!
I understand that;  I persuaded myself to pay a lot for a NOS side-stand.
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: Topdad on 09.10. 2022 13:12
With what I though a permanently useless left leg (now ok thank God ) I did the same GB and don't regret doing so !
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: chaterlea25 on 09.10. 2022 22:51
Hi Trev,
I see what you mean now about the "window" type
Thanks
John
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: Bsalloyd on 10.10. 2022 16:11
Is this the bike that picture were posted after retrieval from the canal? If so could you direct me to where they were posted? You have done a very beautiful restore in record time. I hope you get to enjoy many miles and smiles riding it. Lloyd L
Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: CheeserBeezer on 10.10. 2022 16:30
Is this the bike that picture were posted after retrieval from the canal? If so could you direct me to where they were posted? You have done a very beautiful restore in record time. I hope you get to enjoy many miles and smiles riding it. Lloyd L

Hi Bsalloyd. I think it's here
https://www.a7a10.net/forum/index.php?topic=16757.msg143819#msg143819 (https://www.a7a10.net/forum/index.php?topic=16757.msg143819#msg143819)
The topic was originally entitled 'Mersey RGS' but to be precise it was dredged out of the Manchester Ship Canal which runs parallel to the Mersey at the point where it was found.


Title: Re: Manchester Ship Canal RGS
Post by: Bsalloyd on 15.10. 2022 19:50
I appreciate you providing this information. I own a 1963 RGS that did not come with the rear mudguard. So I was needing the mounting details that your photos show. Thank you, Lloyd L